Twin Peaks


#689

Yeah he seemed to swing somewhat subtly between Cooper (“leave her alone”), Mr. C (his interactions with the waitress herself), and even Dougie (I think I noticed him sometimes moving in that tottering Dougie style - might’ve been imagining that as I groped for meaning, though). He gave me an incoherent and/or empty vibe that really depressed me.

Definitely need to re-watch (duh - but I mean these two specifically) soon. I spent most of it getting sadder and more confused (for some reason I thought we might get a somewhat happy ending - whoops!) and being vaguely disappointed (for whatever reason this particular blend of Lynchian sadness and confusion wasn’t quite doing it for me). But that final moment was incredible - captured and gave shape to my muddled feelings (kinda “unlocked” what I’d been missing or refusing to see up to that point). A better cut to black than The Sopranos, imo.

The last ep brought to mind this thing David Thomas (of Pere Ubu - a band that also relishes twisting American tropes into nightmares) said on stage once:

“That’s the heritage to be passed on, from generation to generation—an echo of pain through time. It’ll be too late, because your parents will be long dead, and no one will understand you.”

Through time and across the multiverse, presumably.

(Full song, if you’re curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-GH7xulvM)


#690

Agreed. Seemed like she was about to become an integral part of the plot. That said, her final “What?!” scene was a great parallel to the final scene of the series. In fact her entire plot line seems very relevant to what happens in the final ep.

Also agree that I would be open to a 4th season. Just keep giving Frost/Lynch money to do whatever they want, imo.


#691

Real 90s kids will remember this as their favorite adventure CD-ROM game.


#692

this essay has helped me thread things in my head and come up with a rough interpretation


#693

Scrolled down 45 posts to say 17 annihilated me. Keeping going but I feel raw, my whole skin’s come off raw. Aaaaaaaaaa


#694

dumbland supports this


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#696

i basically said this exact thing to my partner as we watched this

she doesn’t play video games and never really has, but she tries to appreciate such commentary :B


#697

Nooooooooooooooo


#698

Still buzzing. There’s this part of me that wants to shut myself in an empty room by myself, stay awake, stare at my hands as little grains of Pure Experience slip through my fingers and scatter across the ground, and pick each one up and try to rebuild what the hell that was in a way that I can actually conceive of and rebuild and take with me

Instead, I’ll sleep. Or read… and it’ll get farther away.

[My digression about hearing shaman Patti Smith’s “Land” in 2012 goes here, a capsule of trauma and frisson on demand, each time I press play my goosebumps are less bumpy than last time, if I keep pressing play I won’t even shiver, better stop]

[Companion digression: this song does nothing, I’m nothing, I’m a dry gulch, years pass, my life changes, then without warning here I am rupturing all over at “Do ya know how to pony? Like bony maroney?”]

[Replacement digression: “Let’s Rock!”]

But in the same way that FWWM lives, squirming inside me years later and rolls over every now and then to show me a new side of itself, I can only hope that 17 and 18 (along with the rest) have already woodwormed themselves through my brain, that I have a devastating mental mandala to trace over decade from now, that the physical reaction (shivering, pulse racing, fevery head) will be a functional touchstone like what must be in those there-in-1991 dugpa forums types, who are immune to fading memories and episode analyses and not at all ludicrous creamed corn planets. Is this with me forever? Can the formula be diluted, if I even wanted?

Sorry, I’ve had a few

Just gathering sand and posting it.

Zzz


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#700

this also helped me wrap my head around some things, thank you

i have to say, the build up across the past few weeks, towards the end of this season has really been some of my most treasured time watching television in a long while. besides my partner, i do not know a single person in real life who watched any of this season, so SB is really the only place i’ve had to help get a grasp and react to episodes as they air. and we’re not nearly as perceptive as y’all seem to be.
this feels like how a show like Lost always tried to advertise itself as, just a puddle pretending to be an ocean. it sounds corny and somewhat pretentious to say, but i appreciate how open ended the whole thing was to leave some room for me to really ruminate on broad, metaphorical concepts, as opposed to just the usual “prestige tv fan theories”.

this also feels like a crash course on Lynch himself. i’m really glad i watched & rewatched Lost Highway and Mullholland Drive before this and going from there really showed how much of a “greatest hits” of his filmography this seems to be (and a fuck you to anyone who didn’t seem to care for FWWM)

a really great season of tv


#701

FWWM was pretty great IMO, I like to watch that Bowie/convenience store scene on its own sometimes.

I got the impression from the scene in ep17 where Cooper saves Laura in the past was more like she was trapped in an endless cycle of reliving the bad memories over and over, and Cooper was essentially trying to help her break the cycle. But then after that, it seems he maybe did in fact alter the past? Maybe it is all of that at the same time


#702

more than anything, this is what’s really sticking with me right now in that gnawing, lynchian way. a really superb hour of acting from kyle maclachlan. 18 doesn’t come anywhere close to working without his insight into the role


#703

Some more interpretations

Mine is far more depressing, hah.


#704

did they though?

before cooper electro-possessed him, dougie jones was a real person. or a fake person with no discernible differences from a real person, at any rate. by all accounts, he was a pretty shitty real person. mundane in his inadequacies and predictable in his failures. more or less the opposite of the do no wrong dougie cooper. isn’t it kind of…horrifying that he was simply recloned, packaged up and shipped back to his family? at first it was a farce that janey e didn’t much notice or care that dougie wasn’t at all dougie anymore. in the end, it’s just kind of sad. when he returns home, is he the old dougie or the cooper dougie? …does it matter?

some characters in this show, like ed and norma, got happy endings. some, like becky and steve, got horrible endings. some, like audrey and diane, may or may not even exist. but even when it’s good we just don’t know, really, do we? ed lived in a twin peaks that appeared to glitch out before his happy ending. is it even a real twin peaks? for all we know it’s not even the same twin peaks the more central characters inhabit, and even if it is we’re not sure what kind of existential state that twin peaks occupies. everything is in doubt, which is kind of a lynch thing. he reminds me of beckett in that sense. a little more cheaply earned, I think, but that’s more a comment on beckett’s genius than anything else

what bothers me about the finale, I think, is what it takes away from cooper. he’s the moral force behind things. he’s The Good Guy. he’s also assured. he may not always be right, but he always knows exactly what he thinks he should be doing. in 18 both of those things fall under serious doubt. we don’t know what cooper we’re looking at, really, and the last line of the show features him utterly lost, questioning the most basic concept of existence. we don’t know why laura screams, but what we do know is that cooper also doesn’t know why laura screams.

I’m probably just going to keep posting random shit in this thread btw


#705

My understanding is that it’s the cooper dougie, because he was manufactured with good coops hair, whereas I assume the other one was manufactured with bad coops hair


#706

Time and the losses that rack up with its passage have been such a big theme of the season. In the final episode Diane saw herself from a far, which I took more as a disassociative thing than an evil tulpa switcharoo. Up to the Naido reveal, she’s a bitter and broken person. Suddenly and briefly she’s the happy Diane we wished for. That all falls away during that sex scene. Not long after she leaves a letter under a different name about how she doesn’t recognize Richard/Cooper any more. And about the same time we realize don’t recognize Cooper anymore either (which is especially shocking since we waited so long for him to become himself again). When he finds Laura she’s even someone new.

All of this is contrasted with finding the other residents of Twin Peaks almost exactly as we left them. Just like the happy ending of Blue Velvet rings hollow with the robins returning and making everything suddenly right after a story about the viral nature of psychological trauma, The Return gave us the feel good nostalgia false ending. The epilogue in the final episode gives a very non cliched take on that old cliche about “you can never go home again.” To me, the only sure answer for Cooper’s final question is “not 1991.”


#707

So many takes, so little time


#708

@Sleazy