Star Trek Thread 3: The Search for Snout

It would be yeah Lower Decks then Strange New Worlds, that’s pretty just the good new Trek content that’s come out since Ent.

Glad you liked the final season, I really loved the vulcan two-parter, as well as all the romulan/founding of the Federation stuff. Shran rocks!!

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I’ll never not be upset we didnt get season 5 with the Earth-Romulan war and Shran as a bridge officer on the NX-01 even though there’s no way the way they would of portrayed the Romulans would have not made me angry in some capacity

the scene between Admiral Forrest and Ambassador Soval is low-key one of the best things in the entire show and explains everything about the Vulcans’ interest in humanity without beating you over the head with it like Discovery would’ve lol

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I’m so mad that I like lower decks cuz I hate looking at everyone’s bug eyes but it’s concept of ‘what if everyone in star trek was a trekkie themselves’ is working out so well for me. sometimes it gets really intense like hot shots amount of star trek reference jokes and I have to like walk away holding my head though

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Ya it is definitely one of the best shows that looks like that, but it definitely still looks Like That

Imagine how cool it would have been if they did it in the style of the star trek animated series :frowning:

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I watched it weeks ago by this point, but I really loved The Outcast and felt the performance by Soren’s actor was exceptional in a show full of captivating guest performances. No real sense for how it was really received when it broadcasted but I feel like its possible that it has more resonant potential today than in the early 90s. The case of an episode that got better in time perhaps.

Man… Birthright is just another stinky Klingon two-parter. Love it as a DS9 crossover. Love seeing Data intuit artistic process for once. The setup with Worf and his A-plot is good. But not sure I cared much about it being the entirety of the second episode. Or found the ending that good. Oh well. Season 6 needs a few bad episodes, I guess.

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I’m glad you’re mentally preparing for season 7

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I always think of bad Trek episodes like mental ruffage #braingarbage

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Dude… I am not into this ghost-alien shit on SNW right now. Who thought this was worth multiple full episodes?

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Has recent trek largely just ignored the thing from early tng where earth descended into barbarism before becoming a post capitalist utopia? I feel like I remember it being vaguely a part of first contact and also sort of mildly retconned to be less mad max ish in ds9, but I’m not clear on how the time travel ds9 episodes really fit in to the continuity

As corny as it is I appreciate that it gives them an excuse to not have to come up with a few extra centuries of high culture for characters to be obsessed with. And, maybe more importantly, it helps the show side step a lot of naive utopian end of history junk while still providing an optimistic vision of the future. I know many hate the early seasons of tng but I found the world building to be a lot weirder and more interesting than you’d think given how little attention they pay to earth for most of the series

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ds9’s visit to the early 21st century takes place after the eugenics wars but right before ww3, first contact is after ww3

ds9 didn’t retcon earth’s future history (though snw did when they decided that the eugenics wars, the second civil war, and ww3 were all the same event for some reason (sloppy writing))

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They talk about it a bunch in the first ep of SNW, including showing the nuclear holocaust. WW3 was also a plot point in a pretty random ep of Discovery season 2, so, it’s still a part of Trek.

I think First Contact was the closest we got to seeing how bad things got since Farpoint, but, it didn’t seem all that terrible there. They’ve never done anything as cool as the Farpoint atomic horror stuff.

I do really like how humanity very nearly wiped themselves out, and would have were it not for the warp test. It feels important that the realization we’re not alone united us.

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Latest snw ep was not great, I liked the costume for the alien guy and that was about it

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I think the first half of character stuff was largely good, then holy shit, what a plunge for the last half. Felt like I was back on Discovery.

What was the story here? Why do an episode like this without something to say? SNW, I beg if ye, do not try to do Disco’s season-long stories, Trek isn’t good at them.

Ahh that’s right. I am a ds9 dork so I still feel this to be the most narratively successful attempt to address this period of fake history. But I was surprised and impressed by how wild the TNG first episode got with it. Still a big time Q hater though

Oh that’s interesting. I feel like it must be inevitable that they have to recalibrate the timeline. Wasn’t Khan supposed to be from the 90’s

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oh hahah. just browsin’ memory alpha (as one does) and realized this is addressed directly (and clumsily) in a Strange New Worlds ep

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I agree with Tupla that they’re cowards for separating out the Eugenics War and WW3, and I’m not a fan of them also trying to somehow awkwardly introduce a second American Civil War into the mix in SNW ep 1.

The books attempted to explain the Eugenics War as being a secret Cold War-type thing the public wasn’t aware of in the 90’s, which makes the timeline work but, I didn’t like the idea as much, I like the notion that Trek society discovered genetic engineering and lost control of the technology, as they did with the destructive power in the war that followed, and this was an incredibly hard-learned lesson that they will for certain destroy themselves without outside help and greater vision. I love the little throwaway line in Augments Part 1 of Enterprise where Dr. Soong mentioned that Archer’s grandfather fought in the Eugenics Wars, presumably drafted. I like that there’s these deep scars of humanity’s failures at their backs, that utopia must be clawed for and held.

The thing they did with that later SNW ep trying to explain why the dates don’t line up seems foolish to me as well. Just let the timeline diverge from ours, people love alt history shit. There’s a very popular show by a main Trek writer on right now about that, it’s a great time to enjoy its popularity. The world of Trek is already well ahead of us in the 90’s for having Henry Sterling’s reverse-engineered isogated circuit advance technology rapidly from that Voyager Hot Girl Summer two-parter. We also know that the Botany Bay launched in the 90’s, as well as a bunch of other deep-space missions that pop up as colonies in TOS and Enterprise. Just embrace it.

These people seem to forget that the galaxy of Trek has a magical barrier that prevents exit, human psionics, ancient dinosaur aliens, etc. It’s this weird shit that actually makes the world of Trek better, don’t try to hide it away! You can’t keep the timeline pure!

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trying to pretend like star trek largely takes place in the same timeline as us was a lost cause the second Scotty gave 1986 people transparent aluminum which would have changed the course of human history. Or Chekov’s phaser and communicator they were never able to retrieve from the Navy guys

the books ended up explaining the eugenics wars as a conspiracy type thing because of that stupid voyager two partner they had to retroactively justify why everything was normal because the producers of that ep wanted to save money

the more you try and think about it the more you end up like this guy

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I watched the fan film “Star Trek: Renegades” directed by Tim Russ, who’s entire directorial career in movies seems to be Star Trek fan films. Chekov is supposed to be 140 years old and looks like it. It’s boring and bad though not for lack of trying, however the reason I’m posting about it is because I feel the need to talk about how Robert Picardo’s two scenes in the movie are functionally identical and extraneous because it’s just him in a cargo bay making out with a lady and talking about how he wants to fuck her pussy like crazy. Somehow I don’t think they needed to twist his arm to get him to show up.

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very rare that you watch three random star trek episodes and they’re all good but i was happy to rewatch family, the voyager episode with the DEMON PLANET where harry gets cloned and the episode ends mere seconds after janeway has the entire crew duplicated??? then the ds9 episode where the defiant first appears hell yeah. Odo gets so pissed off at quark in that episode it’s the angriest he ever gets on DS9 it’s hilarious rene auberjonois is growling like a fucking dog at him

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