if you are talking about the same ai porn that I think you are, the presence of the Sesame Street monsters was just as important and bad as the fact that Tswift was in it.
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Oh no that was just a stab in the dark. Yikes!
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dont you love it when your nightmares come true
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i am going to hunt down the men who make ai taylor swift porn and feed them their eyeballs
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I am terrible sorry for everything i have poste3d today
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I do, I can already see where itās going. Someone offered me a ChatGPT+ trial the other day and the thing will happily rip off smaller artists but god forbid you type something resembling āan iron manā because then youāll get a warning youāre breaking their terms by infringing on Disneyās territory already. Itās just the same stuff as before, only automated at an entirely new scale.
Like for the longest time , when they were suing character creators in games or even just modeling software the defense was āwhat, are you gonna sue pencil companies tooā but here we are, now they can make the pencil that will refuse to draw Spider-man.
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To address this, as someone who likes generative art, emergent systems, etc:
Yes. That is why it is cool. It is made specifically by a person who is making the conscious act of designing a system and its component parts to create something interesting. Whether itās a Twitter bot generating goofy titles to fake 80s actions movies or a pixiv profile picture generator, someone made decisions every step of the way, from conception to implementation.
My favorite āgenerative artā story is this: Dwarf Fortress is the product of the Adams brothers. One of them writes fantasy scenarios, and the other interprets it into the systems and architecture necessary to make what I think everyone can agree is one of the best games ever. Concept to implementation. Without that vision, Dwarf Fortress would be nothing. Just look at all the clones that attempted to ābeat it to marketā and failed horribly precisely because of that.
LLMs, DALL-E, and so on are not that. There is no vision except feeding enormous amounts of data into the mulcher of a neural net. All the impressive bits are 1. not that impressive and 2. the result of overfitting to the training data, which is a fancy way of saying that at a certain point youāre basically just googling the original picture, poorly. Thereās plenty of evidence of this, from being able to pull out individual stills of movies to existing illustrations of Superman. These image generators are aggregators, nothing more.
At that point you may as well just steal what the generator trained on instead of hoping the poor facsimile it ācreatesā satisfies your needs. Itās not like thereās a lack of pictures on the internet. Or text.
More broadly, I see the modern āAI revolutionā as nothing more than the most debased commodity fetishism. It strips the social relations that give meaning behind art and writing and leaves only the Almighty Output. Art was, after all, one of the last places you could see and hear from the people making the thing you āconsumeā far more than not. The global logistics network has already stripped that from things like food or household items. To leave art, the last bastion of human interrelation, aloneā¦ well, that wonāt do. To succeed, capital must erase all relationships except those of money and power.
Personally, I refuse to accept this. I will always evangelize generative art - real generative art - as a practice and a medium, but neural net image generators and slop-producing large-language-models are not, and never will be, it.
I have optimism though, I honestly believe that this will go the way of NFTs and most of crypto, in that everyone will realize how fucking stupid it is and stop giving it attention.
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do you have something to be worried about, muaad?
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Aslo, at least when this generation is dynamic, all that stuff is geared towards running on a playerās local PC, conceived and optimized for being lean and efficient, and demonstrating that a couple random generators and ingenuity are enough to generate the universe in near-real time. Meanwhile, those big machine learning models are built in the capitalistic premise that you donāt need to optimize a system as long as youāve got resources to wastefully burn right into it. It doesnāt matter that youāre consuming several villagesā worth of electricity, several olympic poolsā worth of cooling water and plagiarizing the world as long as you can produce while paying less people for their work.
The closest I can come to a virtuous case for generative AI is The Roottrees are dead, where it allowed the author to generate the various portraits. But that goodwill was essentially due to the game being free, and I do think it couldāve been done in numerous other ways even without paying an artist. Iāve professed before that I love how Higurashi is made of bad photoshops of neighborhood photos combined with the writerās animu scribbles yet itās a major pillar of VN history, and there are numerous other examples even in recent times.
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poor T Swift. all she ever wanted to do is give away free cookware to her fans because they overstocked
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none of you have considered the ai program im personally developing that only violates disney copyrights, if you try to get it to make pictures of something normal its still going to find a way to insert donald duck being profaned
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I really donāt see how thatās possible, though. people have to want to buy NFTs for NFTs to be self sustaining. they have to want to actually use the networks that crypto currencies prop up for crypto to be anything more than an abstract financial instrument or an object of ideological fantasy. no actual human beings need to want generative AI for it to be everywhere. itās already everywhere, and Iāve not heard anyone excited by that fact. AI needs a boss willing to tell you that you need to be 3 times more productive for the same money now that you have this Powerful Tool; it needs advertisers interested in data profiling sets that are simultaneously larger and more specific; it needs product designers and governments interested in the predictive powers and level of control offered by more refined algorithms; it needs institutions interested in confirming and propagating their biases. this kind of AI is a great tool for capitalism. it homogenizes, commodifies, and confuses. it offsets and abstracts blame for problems it creates and problems it is employed to solve. it is a wealth transfer tool that removes workers, squeezes margins, further concentrates power in large opaque structures that are increasingly unable to be questioned or even understood, and further bolsters the technocrat class that will be tasked with administering it. nobody has to like AI at all, because itās not designed for nobodies, itās a reification of The System that produces nobodies.
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Relegate āAIā to something only said by a flustered Tony Danza
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to me the gpt image stuff is like a whole economy forms around buying and trading big sacks of used lottery scratchcards. in theory someone might have scratched and won and then thrown it away for some reason and now maybe you can find out by getting a bag. alot of people could use the money from finding an unclaimed winning scratchcard in one of these bags! donāt be exclusionary! in practice actually opening and sifting thru the bags is too tiring and depressing for anyone to really want to do it so they just keep accumulating and being swapped back and forth, because they at least embody a kind of hypothetical nearness to money that lasts until someone looks at them too closely, and somehow nobody wonders why thatās the best that weāre able to hope for now, or why this democratic levelling industry in tickets somehow applies only to cast-offs.
and then i guess for money substitute aesthetic pleasure which is a concept nobody really believes in anymore except to the extent that they have to bc it forms the unseen kernel of āreal valueā that all the speculation is built upon. itās funny that the early 2010s burned people out on like overreaching politicised art criticism to the extent that the most cartoonishly direct unions of economic function and aesthetic expression now just result in like āidkā¦ every body has their own tasteā¦ who are you to judgeā like the old guy watching the protagonist kiss the mannequin in Mannequin (1987)
also like i think everyone being funnelled into shitty copyleft technically-legal-but-in-a-wage-theft-way work IS a function of traditional copyright, theyāre not opposed, i feel like gpt stuff sort of has to be seen in the context of a war on piracy which is also a war on aesthetic possibilityā¦ you COULD just steal something but wouldnt you rather let the real thing languish in a rich guyās vault to accumulate more rarity value while you use the demoralising stripped-bare castoff pinterest husk instead, the one that you can monetise, never mind that nobody makes actual money off this stuff anymore. if aesthetic interest was as stochastic as this stuff supposed then theyād let us have access to the real things! if the aesthetic is the possibility of the extra-aesthetic than all this stuff is what remains once that sense of possibility has already been extracted and sold- technique, set styles and representationalism, hireling portfolio cruft, the kitsch that must not be named
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All great points, but I think, or perhaps hope, the fervor for it will die down and the dregs that are left will be rightfully quarantined. The system has to replicate by peopleās willingness to engage with it; yes, even āAIā. Thereās plenty of people trying to sell AI, but not a lot of people buying, and it is rapidly developing a social stigma. Tools to detect AI images and peopleās literacy of AI tells are improving, and short of developing a real intelligence, those tells canāt be circumvented.
Yeah, it sucks that we all have to be aware of this shit now and forever because capitalists want to strip the last bit of humanity from us. The genie is out of the bottle. But so is crypto (which the same guys were pushing) and because it couldnāt find wide acceptance it has collapsed into self-parody. For like 2 years you couldnāt go anywhere without tripping over crypto in the social milieu - and then after that it was NFTs, complete with a āmuseumā here in Seattle - and both are now laughingstocks.
They will try to feed us this slop garbage, stuff us to bursting, cram it into Marvel television shows and shit. But I refuse to believe that the beast cannot be beaten again.
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āthe genieās out of the bottle but we can all collectively stop making wishesā is a pretty good metaphor, nice
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i get what you all are saying, 100% respect it. didnt know the spaghetti hands wobbly face anime girl program and the program that thinks like āmississippiā has the letter S in it 8 times were still big out there, i deleted twitter last year.
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it may play out that an AI generated aesthetic comes and goes like any other trend but iām watching my employer promote more automation of stuff end users will never see, transforming a chunk of my job from āpeer reviewing other peopleās workā to āasking them if they know what their own code doesā which i am uhh less than happy about
you might still get games with art and music by real people but beyond that who knows. one thing i do know from seeing corporations appropriate every āindieā signifier possible that they will have no qualms about lying about how much of their output is generated and their employees will risk their jobs talking about it
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I once got thrown in a cop car for finding one of these, and all the ai people should be too
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