god, i'm so sorry (superhero-comicbook nonsense)


#361

facebook “memories” reminded me that i was complaining about Iron Man 2 being released earlier everywhere but the US 9 years ago today

ive been a devoted fan for years marvel. please bring back the red skull as a major MCU antagonist thank you


#362

at least a little one off short of Cap returning the soul stone and have red skull be like wtf


#363

Something my brain consistently returns to is the stand-off of Past!Nebula VS Past!Gamora+Present!Nebula, and the climax of that bit. Thinking a lot about the difference between a person trapped in an abusive relationship and the person they become after escaping, and how despite that meaning definitive proof they get out okay, they still cannot reach safe reconciliation in a high stakes situation like that. The machinations that got Nebula to where she currently is in her character arc are just specific enough that her past self could not drop everything, but Gamora could. Gamora dropped everything once she was aware it could be better and healthier, yet Nebula could not, and Nebula’s past state of mind was in part due to Gamora, who herself was also trying to survive abuse. It’s unfortunate that Past!Gamora is probably not going to factor back into things because her contribution to this really delicate subplot would be good (even though, like, GotG2 already tried to resolve all that angst (but hey healing isn’t linear)). Also just so it’s clear I’m not saying “Gamora did some harmful things to survive abuse therefore she isn’t sympathetic”, it’s way more complex than that, and that’s the part that interests me.

Anyway so Infinity War had some of the flattest characterizations in the whole MCU (thanks for just making Quill an idiot I guess) and then Endgame just pulls it all (or a lot) off, and makes the big event actually interesting for several character arcs instead of just being a “hey so we made twenty three movies so we could organically reach a lord of the rings moment” thing. I’m still thrown by this.


#364

Can you elaborate because for me that ending was just a big LotR moment. Maybe because I am older or cynical or have watched too many movies. The execution of the small moments was good but the plot was such a straight line. The final battle had too many moments where I just squirmed in my seat. Captain Marvel is here and she does stuff till they can’t. Here is a hammer that doesn’t really change anything I guess. Rocket and Groot do not get a moment. Here are women posinglikeateambecauseshitgotreal . Now back to Spiderman and Ironman having a three minute death scene and Ironman’s wife getting 15 seconds because she did not want to be there. I felt too much the machinations of captialism and symbolism and requirement and reality and none that it felt like a story that wanted to be told.

This is why old people only watch sports huh? Well back to video games for me.


#365

true old people can see the machinations of capitalism in sports too


#366

I dunno, I think it’s gonna be a bit dependent on what feels too condensed to you, and what plot threads are the ones that mattered most to you. Carol having an entire movie to set her up just so she can only show up in the beginning and end was way more of a funny “oh shit we can’t have tension if Goku’s here” writing problem thing to me. Steve suddenly being Surprise Worthy was great to me in the way that, like, it’s a cherry on top of the story pace in One Piece when Luffy unexpectedly but hilariously flattens a villain that’s been built up for a few chapters. I stopped at the Cool Girls Double Splash Page moment and wondered if it was a deflated Girl Power kind of thing, and then I thought about how that might look to a teen girl who thinks all these women are cool and I was like okay yeah this is cool. Infinity War’s Cool Girls moment felt a lot more awkward to me because it was specifically “we got all the heroines to fight the lady villain/s” which always looks way way less organic to me. All the girls teaming up is a fun coincidence of timing, all the girls fighting all the girls is a bit.

I was satisfied with how they wrapped up Tony’s long arc of redemption and Steve’s lost sense of place, but I’m also not saying this was the ideal version of the movie, because I don’t think that could exist because art is mostly just fucking around and trying to stick a landing. I felt Infinity War tried to carry every character relatively equally and flopped for it, and Endgame tried to primarily focus on the six OG Avengers and got really satisfying arc endings for 3-4 of them. Superhero media (or at least Marvel/DC) is an endless exquisite corpse of patch notes and so for me when something fumbles its way into being meaningful or at least resonant with me I give it credit for that. It is hella biased of me.


#367

Thanks! I apreciate your response. I feel like this is a film where there isn’t right and wrong response and there is plenty of room (sobestfilmeveriguess) so that it ressonated with you is neat! And I thank you for interrogating your own feelings about it.


#368

How important is the story of Captain Marvel I still haven’t seen that and I’m not sure I feel like doing movie homework before I go see this


#369

Not at all. Like really, this was mostly filmed before Captain Marvel, and according to a few friends who watched both, it shows.


#370

For me, the Girl Power Double Splash page actually kinda made things worse, because it highlighted how none of the women in the movie aside from Captain Marvel have any definition beyond the men they are associated with. Like everyone in that shot is “X male character’s girlfriend/sister/etc.” and not a character on their own, in their own movies. Heck, Wasp is the only one that even gets mentioned in a title card, and that is preceded by “Ant Man and…”. I got what Marvel was going for, but it mostly comes of like a Highlights Find What’s Wrong but for the Bechdel test.


#371

hey one of them isn’t a girlfriend/sister it’s a Subordinate Lady General Included Because Marvel Got Blindsided By Her Popularity In Black Panther So Let’s Get Her On The Poster and In A Scene or Two I Guess

actually what happens to the social hierarchy in Wakanda when the magical plant-eating monarch who ascends the throne through ritualized Big Fights is removed via sudden dusting?

what is the protocol?

all the Magic Plant got burned, right?

dang

did Okoye just set up a military junta?

Marvel Pictures please address my questions in Black Panther 1.5 thanx


#372

for some of the shots in the suit it looked liked goop couldn’t be bothered to show up and shoot a face so they just made a whole computer gwyneth and she skyped in her lines


#373

I mean, it’s better than Portman, who was clearly just reused from Thor 2 footage, which is why she only meets up with a CGI raccoon.


#374

Probably still finished off her contract.

Got a million $$$ out of it.

Get it girl.


#375

i agree that that particular shot was bad and weirdly self congratulatory, but i also think that the gamora / nebula / thanos relationship is really well done (in a creepy way obvs) and, while not perfect, it is a more complex family dynamic than any of the other Complicated Families they have tried to make in the MCU (well, i have a soft spot for thor because of how well they lean into the mythic royal family melodrama aspects of it to the point where it becomes kind of parodic). also, all of the good things about captain marvel the movie were basically missing here. i guess what i’m saying is the female characters are better when they are people and not just like vessels for girl power. But anyway IIRC neither gamora or nebula were in that sequence which… yeah


#376

honestly the most surprising thing about that Girl Power shot is that they did almost the exact same one AGAIN from Infinity War. i mean i guess you had to get Captain Marvel in there but still.

the “3rd Act is Unskippable Fighting Game Cutscenes” drag that hampers every single one of these movies felt SO BAD in this one, but i think that’s only because of how engrossed and entertained I was in the first half. plus you had to make sure every hero got their “Special Move” shot.

i always knew Thor was my favorite Character and Film Series in the MCU, but I don’t think I really appreciated how good Chris Hemsworth is at sincerely portraying this role. Some of his best work in this. I hope he shows up in Gunn’s GOTG3, even for just a brief cameo

overall pretty entertaining!


#377

Hemsworth is good.

Lazy fat suit and accompanying shit were not.


#378

yeah they were awesome. love Chungus Lebowski Thor

seemed a missed opportunity though for Quill to not gloat a little bit about Thor being fat after all that posturing in Infinity War and Gamora ogling Thor’s muscles.


#379

yeah i mean it works only on the level of being an in joke of hemsworth seemingly being contractually obliged to have an ultra chiseled topless shot in every thor movie. it is funny but also the fat shaming aspect of it is ridiculous. it is even more ridiculous because they would clearly never do this for a female character - even when black widow is sad you still have to want to bone her. i feel like it would have been way more affecting if they just, like, didn’t ask hemsworth to train like a maniac for the movie and just showed him having a normal body. the fat suit was way too much.

despite the ugliness of the prosthetics and everything that goes with them, i found that arc and its tone weirdly affecting precisely because it wasn’t taken seriously. like they are showing thor hit rock bottom, but it’s still funny because… it’s thor, and you know he’s going to bounce back eventually. i don’t know that they’ve really gotten the other characters quite to that point, they have made them ‘brooding’ and ‘flawed’ enough that they don’t really inspire this kind of unshakable faith. but that’s why i like thor - all of these characters are ridiculous power fantasies, and trying to make them seem like tragically damaged victims never really works that well for me. i guess what i’m saying is it kind of seems like thor is enjoying his midlife crisis / depressive episode, and i find that sort of inspiring


#380

i think the point about the fat shaming is fair, but i will say i enjoyed the little detail that his gut still has abs on it