Zelda: Breath of the Wild

not to mention that sweet cliff dive link pulls

What if after 1000000 rolls you unlocked jumps

My favourite means of transportation in OoT is Z targeting nothing + side jumps / backflips, but you can’t see what’s in front of you

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you CAN jump in oot by z target backflipping and you can clear fences and small obstacles that way

I don’t know if it’s ever actually useful but I still do it a lot when I play the game

I don’t really play oot anymore tho because it’s really bad

you can roll into several enemies because of links weird hitbox and do this groovy slide right passed them like some weird floaty mongrel and it also works on several bosses to dodge attacks

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Cannot lie. Nothing like some lore-continuity-timeline nostalgia pandering to keep my froth well the fuck in check.

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you think they designed mechanics around an acknowledged acceptance that their games’ geometry and physics are going to inevitably end up being jank? how do other games manage to have jumping without caving in on themselves?

A lot of them don’t. Jumping is, especially for 3D games, a cause of lots of bugs.

ok, but,

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also

aren’t representative of the way 99999.99% of people experienced these games

[quote=“21012, post:274, topic:1983, full:true”]you think they designed mechanics around an acknowledged acceptance that their games’ geometry and physics are going to inevitably end up being jank? how do other games manage to have jumping without caving in on themselves?
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I mean, this is what the Souls series clearly did. It has “jumping” that is purely horizontal and gives you absolutely zero additional height, basically a variant of rolling. That solves both a level design and technical headache.

Personally I think the main reason OoT did it that way is with the idea that contextual actions would make the controls simpler and more intuitive, but I dunno, Talbain’s glitch-avoidance theory isn’t ridiculous.

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Speedrunners aren’t typically the people who find these, they’re just the people who exploit them. Most games with jumping just have lots of incidental issues that are discovered, usually by accident (which is often why QA didn’t find them). I wouldn’t say they are the people who experience the game’s problems as a form of competitive advantage, but they aren’t unaffected by them.

same

The mythological unreliability of the NES Zeldas is right up there with badass space-amazon Samus on the list of things Nintendo should never have “fixed.”

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Wait, why does anyone who’s not a rabid fan care about Zelda’s timeline/story

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that’s what they were saying

Oops misread post

I do but I care about the story in every game so

Thus far the gladest tidings

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froth revived