Tom's Hardware of Finland


#2119

young tories are far, far worse than even typical tech yuppies

or anyone else


#2120

the new goog phones look ok for the money though


#2121

whenever I see big UK tech firms depicted in TV or movies the people there seem like evil incarnate so I’m not sure how much adjusting for perception there is there


#2122

the phones do look good though! plastic + OLED is great, adequate support timeframe for android, price is reasonable, design is conservative but not actively bad in any way


#2123

anyway the one feature Edge has that I really want to see merged into chrome is a GPU codepath for encrypted video (Netflix, most subscription streaming services); chrome and firefox will currently only pass unencrypted video to the GPU


#2124

What are they (local branches of US ones)?

I guess Sage maybe


#2125

hey i saw some 2012 Dell laptop up for AU$200 (last i checked we’re pretty much at parity with the CAD)

Dell i7-3612QM 2.10GHz
8GB RAM
HD Graphics 4000
15.6" Full HD Display

does that sound worth checking out? i have a PS4 for games and a big phone for most day-to-day stuff, but i kinda want something i can type and make things on and do x86 stuff with

(though music production is one of the things i’d like to do and maybe that’s a bit hopeful)


#2126

it won’t be woefully inadequate but it will be kind of clunky and that CPU is about to stop being as surprisingly OK as it’s been for a long time

not awful for $200 but idk

you can do a lot better for $3-400 but if that’s out of your budget, not having access to a real computer does suck so I don’t want to talk you out of it


#2127

Is this new old stock from Dell? or new old stock from…somewhere else? or a refurb? (from where?)


#2128

That looks about as great as my stupid mac laptop, which sometimes has trouble with this site. Is it a latitude or inspiron? Latitudes are pretty easy to expand and upgrade but you’d be stuck with that CPU


#2129

I have a 13 or 14 inch Latitude with a 3.2ghz, 2 core/4 thread i5, from that generation of CPUs (Ivy Bridge). Its still a great laptop (Latitude E6330). Its a little heavy compared to modern stuff. And sometimes it’d be nice to have some newer video and GPU features. But the CPU is still competitive and overall----it works pretty great. backlit keyboard.

I bought mine 3 years ago, for $299, as a refurb, which looked like it was absolutely brand new in every way. I spent a few bucks and put $16gb of ram in it. It came with 4Gb.

I would try to check around for a slightly newer model with a 1 or 2 gen newer CPU. As they did have some pretty big advancements with low power usage, in Haswell and Broadwell. But if you can’t find a reasonably close deal-----this one should be pretty nice.


#2130

nah i’m definitely ok spending a bit more to get something much better. i’m honestly doing ok without a real computer, but i do kind of miss not being able to like, manipulate files or pretend i’m gonna make a twine game

@falsedan @Toptube it’s a second hand one! idk if it’s latitude or inspiron but it looks kinda cheap

someone’s selling a Samsung RC520 in ‘working condition’ for $300 but they’re listing things like Office 2016 and VLC as added value so uh hm

specs

15’6 inch display
Intel i5 Processor, i5-2410M @ 2.3Ghz @.3Ghz quad core
6GB DDR3 RAM
300GB HDD
DVD RW drive
Geforce 520M graphics processor / Intel HD 3000 on board

but uh Felix (or anyone) if you have better ideas i am 100% ears. i’m fine to wait a while if it’s like, time to wait a while, i’m just real stingy

honestly i should just not open facebook marketplace


#2131

That i5-2410 is even older. Its a Sandy Bridge. The model number starts with a “2”. I wouldn’t get anything older than an Ivy Bridge (model numbers start with 3). But for mobile in 2019, I would stress at least Haswell.

Here’s a quick list:

Sandy Bridge - 2
Ivy Bridge - 3
Haswell - 4
Broadwell - 5
Skylake - 6
Kabylake - 7
Coffelake - 8
Cannonlake - 9

I dunno what Australia’s like for buying stuff. But maybe look around on Amazon for certified refurbs. That’s how I got my Dell and it was a very good experience.


#2132

Here are couple of examples from Amazon. But I dunno if they are viable for buying in Australia:

Here is a 2 core/ 4 thread coffee lake which turbos to 3.4ghz on both cores

Here is a 14 inch Haswell 2 core/4 thread 3.3ghz turbo, backlit keyboard

Oh, here’s a dual core/4 thread Ryzen Lenovo laptop. 3.5ghz turbo. Brand new, not a refurb. Its even the refreshed version of Ryzen.


#2133

also, immediately swap the mechanical harddrive for an ssd. you can get a good-enough ssd for $30 or less and put the mechanical harddrive in a $13 usb 3.0 enclosure. that’s the best thing you can do for perceived responsiveness and will make your laptop feel not entirely different from a more contemporary one.


#2134

In an unexpected turn of events, I got an arts grant from the Finnish National Opera to prototype a VR piece for them. I can probably borrow a Vive, but I definitely need a VR-capable laptop.

Is there anything wrong with this ASUS ROG laptop with an RTX 2070 for $1699? https://www.microcenter.com/product/601894/rog-strix-scar-ii-edition-gl504gw-ds74-156-gaming-laptop-computer---black


#2136

IF you are looking to VR on a laptop, that or something like it, is gonna be ideal. And that’s because you are getting the full mobile GPU. Not the cut down power saving version.

Keep in mind----a 2070 is considered mid-high range. Its targeted to excel at 2K or less. So, 60fps at high/max settings. and can do 4K at about 30fps.
So for VR, I think that would mean an optimal point of 720p for each eye?


#2137

Thanks! It’s funny, I had looked on Dell’s website earlier and, maybe because I was in the wrong category, it only showed me overpriced Alienwares for laptops with 8GB graphics cards.

I’m not sure which laptop to get. The Dell is more expensive once I factor in upping the drive to 512GB. And, despite the Max-Q being appealing in terms of ergonomics, the performance (particularly in Dell’s implementation) is dipping below mobile 2060 max-p configurations which is … not terrible, but feels a little lower-midrange by desktop standards?

Whoops, I replied to your old message. Yeah, I deliberately sought a max-p card. And the 1070 version of that laptop got nice reviews. But I wanted reassurance because that’s a lot of money!


#2138

Yeah I noticed that Dell was a slim gaming laptop, with the downclocked Max-Q version of the 2070. So I deleted the post. I made some edits above.


#2139

After some peeking around, I dunno if you will find a better deal than that, on a 2070. Microcenter often has the.best.deals. provided you have one near enough to take advantage.