I don’t like fighting games but building your own arcade stick seems very appealing
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this old stick, with bob parker.
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steel elevator buttons: think about it
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Literally every fighting game is going to feature frame data knowledge at some point. No matter how simple, it’s always gonna be there.
That is an unavoidable fact of the genre.
not if you don’t care
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Is it worth calling it ‘frame data’ if it’s unspecific? Like, at the level of amateur and even highly-skilled play, it’s really knowing general timing windows, not ‘exactly when in this animation the behavior starts and stops’.
And the label is implying a specificity of knowledge that’s not the same?
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you can avoid most facts if you don’t care
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Oh yeah, I agree if you don’t care it doesn’t matter, and if you’re not at pro level splitting hairs doesn’t matter.
I just mean that at some level, every fighting game is going to have an element of ‘what hits first, and when can you attack again’. They all are. Overwatch and DOTA 2 have that.
I just don’t really see Tekken as being unique in this regard, is what I’m saying.
the legacy of the 3d fighter is the triumph of pacing over spacing
MK11’s tutorial is constantly reframing (ha) it in terms of whether a given move is safe or unsafe if it gets blocked which is a lot less Too Damn Much for me
I really like it when developers are determined to make a robust competitive game that doesn’t have too many hard counters or doesn’t lend itself to obsessing over the meta, the last time I was this impressed was siege
Yeah this is a genre that’s meant to be played with other people and if you wanna improve the best way to approach it is by playing long sets with friends or chill people and occasionally asking questions like “Is that safe on block?” or “How do I avoid that?” or “Could you please stop teabagging me, I think that’s very rude.”
And if your friends can’t answer you go into training mode and try and figure it out yourself. Or you can google/ask on a Discord, I dunno, I never do any of that shit cuz
but other people do that shit all the time and it probably helps.
Like if going into training mode and grinding shit out doesn’t immediately appeal to you I think there’s little point in doing that or watching tons of tutorial videos when you can learn the basics by just losing a ton to actual human beings.
Oh yeah NUMBER ONE PIECE OF FIGHTING GAME ADVICE: Never play ranked.
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a modest chunk of my 09 income came from vanilla sf4 and st and i honestly had minimal frame data knowledge beyond the stuff everyone knows (1f reversals in st, 3/4 frame jabs in 4 etc.) and generally tried to learn things in a more abstract ‘ok, this beats that’ kind of way
i also knew a lot of obsessives who could accurately quote data on everything but struggled to get out of groups
that said i think modern games fetishise the single player training mode grind and it sux
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Hmm? I’m not sure what you mean here. You go look up FG mooks from 20+ years ago and they’re printing startup frames and active frames and recovery frames. Isn’t that super specific?
in 2001 kaillera 6p kof98 frame data was a beautiful fluid spectrum
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a man could build his own life and weave his own justifications
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I mean, from a player’s perspective.
As you folks have elaborated, even if a player has never heard of frame data they can start learning concepts about timing and safe windows; they will understand them in vague, fuzzy windows of time, not specific frames in animations.
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I almost miss all those years when people would mock the idea of “framecounters”. Which only existed cuz there were people who actually believed way better players could count the frames in real time.
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this might be a dumb question but does there exist a keyboard where the modifier button layout works equally well for mac and PC? basically I want something where, in the set of modifier keys on the left, leftmost ctrl/fn key and the rightmost alt/command key are both larger sized than the modifier keys inbetween them. I can’t stand when either key is narrow when they are the primary modifier for their respective operating system.
or more generally does anyone have a particular keyboard they like for switching between either os?
preferably not mechanical because I’m a weirdo whose typing accuracy plummets on those things and I love low profile chiclet keys
Make everything safe on block
the st boxer experience