Let's talk Coens and the Coens Extended Universe.


#81

I think Burn is great and hilarious but really, In the Loop is on an entirely different level.

Barton Fink was critically important to me when I was making my bitter solipsistic game about how bitter I felt about this game I was making that turned out to be a very important thing in my life. And I love it

The other top 3’s are Serious Man and Lebowski.

It’s the more refined post-No Country work that I have trouble getting into; they feel so much more refined and classical that I can’t find purchase on them.


#82

#83

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#84

I mean… that’s the joke

Thats what made Hail Caesar good. Its both a naked look at the sheer awfulness of the capitalist hollywood machine AND a farce.


#85

Anyway Ladykillers is openly racist and its not criticized at all its just treated as quaint.


#86

It came across to me as both sidesing the politics it depicts at best and I think these kinds of satires of capitalism hardly ever end up being very useful. I don’t think the average person is going to come away thinking “gee eddie mannix was a bad guy.” and making your main character based on this actual fixer guy, but not making him a wife beater like the real guy, but giving him the exact same name instead of a made up name, and putting him in a wacky screwball comedy, feels a little suspect to me.


#87

fair, but on the other hand

Eddie Mannix is such a perfect name for a scumbag fixer that I can’t imagine any other name being used.


#88

yeah i dunno, you’re probably right that it doesn’t work as political critique but for me at least it definitely works on the level of ‘catholic guilt is hilarious’

also i guess i’m a bad socialist but i thought it was kind of funny to portray 1950’s screenwriters as both literal communists and also kind of pseudo intellectual blowhards who are mainly just upset about not getting royalties


#89

Ben Carson is running HUD as a luxury furniture retailer and you say the performances are too absurd


#90

I can’t see the Coens ever portraying an idealist as anything but a doomed idiot or a cynic wearing a mask, so I find their take on something like this funny rather than politically ugly.

As long as there’s a truth in their skew (and there’s a lot of truth in questioning the leftist bonafides of middle class professionals) it works for me.


#91

I mean the entirety of barton fink is about an upper class professional talking over a working class man and disregarding his humanity even as he pats himself on the back for his good politics


#92

I probably need to watch Hail Caesar again, I have a tendency to find cultural Catholicism totally inscrutable (which has always amused me as both my mother and my wife were raised Catholic, though they went in completely opposite directions from there) and at this point I confuse what I got out of watching the movie with what I’ve been told about it


#93

see the problem is that’s not funny to me and I don’t feel like it would’ve been funny to them either, which accounts for the movie


#94

Hail Caesar is the movie that the people who made A Serious Man make when they try to reckon with movies and the system that enables them as the God in their lives.


#95

This is entirely possible. I haven’t watched it since it was in theaters.


#96

Omg


#97

It’s a good show and you should give it a try.


#98

I watched it all. it felt like watching coen bros fan fiction. and every season felt like a remix of the exact same elements over and over


#99

I think there’s an argument that it’s overly misanthropic in places. I mean, the contrast between that and Francis McDermott’s character is obviously the point, but most of the other characters feel pathetic and one-note. If I watch that movie in certain frames of mind I find most of it unbearably sad.

Apparently I should watch Raising Arizona; pretty high on most lists here and I still haven’t seen it.

I rewatched A Serious Man a couple weeks ago with a buddy and I still really like that movie.


#100

serious man #1 for me for sure

i actually kind of think llewyn davis might be #2 and i didn’t know i felt that way until this minute

there are a couple i should probably rewatch tho