jarpeegees you beat

[quote=“seven, post:35, topic:421, full:true”]
master of the wind (eventually someone else will play this)[/quote]

[quote=“seven”]
Most RPGs, despite their focus on story, feel
impersonal and soul-deadening to me: you slaughter waves of generic
creatures to make numbers go up, and the characters are often incidental
to that. Every other RPG I’ve played choose to leave their characters
shallow and one-dimensional despite their length, even the games whose
writing I love, like Earthbound. Master of the Wind
is the only RPG I’ve played that I felt took full advantage of its
length: like a long-running TV show, the game’s length gives the
characters time to become familiar, reflect and develop.[/quote]
Making numbers go up is at least something you have an influence on. It is the only way to express yourself, your personality, inside the game. Characters developed through story are always not your characters. They’re imposed. I play games first and foremost because of the choices they give me, and story in JRPGs has nothing to do with choice. Why would I want to click away text boxes, when I could be making decisions instead? Why would I ever want to play a JRPG that focuses on telling a story and letting its characters develop (on their own, without my input)? Why would I want to spend time in a dialogue tree, instead of in an infinitely more complex battle SYSTEM?

Those are the questions I asked when I joined my first forum a decade ago. It was an RPG Maker forum. And sometimes I am able to convince myself that I got smarter since then and grew out of that judgmental mindset. I mean, I still don’t much care for Mother 3 right now, but I can see why people care, and why video games that don’t appeal to me don’t have to be bad games. Because I have shitty taste. I play too many racing games. Maybe because they’re such “choice in the moment” games, going somewhere as fast as I can, wrestling with my physical self 60 times a second. But it is not my physical self. It is just an image on a screen. And I can forget that. But when I take a moment, I realize that making machines go in circles all the time can be deadening to my soul. And while JRPGs can’t mask their “loneliness”, because not being alone means interacting with another sentient being*, and all these “beings” in JRPGs are just uninteractive facades, they’re better at hiding it than the cars in my racing games (disregarding Choro Qs). Maybe I let my copy of Mother 3 sit on top of my GBA games stash for a while longer. Maybe there will be a time when I can find pleasure in it, after going around in circles for so long.

: The moment I start playing a video game RPG for the characters instead of the battle system is when they manage to include convincingly intricate NPCs. Which requires human-like AI. At which point ethical concerns will make playing video game RPGs more uncanny than any graphical depiction ever could. Actually sentient beings coming to life and dying at my hands, I am god. Prepare for the terrifying future of arrpeegees! When’s the singularity again? The Elder Scrolls* 8?

**: I still regard Morrowind as the most draining video game experience of my life. A meticulously crafted facade becoming transparent, revealing its shallowness right before my eyes. And I guess JRPGs don’t try as hard to make their world seem like a living, breathing system. They haven’t entered the uncanny valley of WRPG open world simulations. Maybe just being told a nice story isn’t so bad.

I gotta play Mother 3. It has been too inconvenient, though…

What is the best way to emulate it?

What’s the regret list?

Sorry for technically double posting, but do replies count as fawx-pas?

Any-who JRPs I’ve beat in accordance with what people are counting here:

-Chrono Trigger
-Chrono Cross
-Super Mario RPG

  • FF XIII
    -Ys I
    -Pokemon Blue
    -World Ends With You
    -Phoenix Wright
    -Fire Emblem:Awakening
    -Fire Emblem: GBA. I think it had a subtitle in japan but not in the GREAT USA
    If we’re counting Zeldas
    -Links Awakening
    -Link Between Worlds

and if we’re counting Zeldas then I beat Neir.

Working on FF XIII-2

Some day I will beat Star Ocean 1 and 2, as well as Radiant Historia. Gosh Darn It.

sorry to crash the party/ruin the joke, but confession-time: played earthbound once for about ~30 minutes, finished neither, and do not feel like i missed something. preposterous, i know, but i rather invested that time in beating the tri-Ace library … if that was a “better” decision, idk, but I like some of them best out of the lot that i amassed over the years…

anyway, list of shame:
Final Fantasy: CC, 4,6,7,8,9,10
Star Ocean: 3,4
Valkyrie Profile: 1,2 (seriously, has nobody finished either?)
WildARMs 5
Grandia 1
Persona 3,4
Magna Carta 2
Chrono: Trigger, Cross
Secret of Mana
Baten: 1 and Origins
Resonance of Fate
.hack//1-4
Xenogears
Infinite Comedy


*: not sure if these fall under the JRPG-definition: Nier Catherine

[edit]
forgot about:
TWEWY ;_;
some SNES-era game i forgot the name of.

have any of us who haven’t beaten shiren the wanderer really completed anything?

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Not as many as I thought, actually:

Final Fantasy 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10-2, 12, 13, Legend
Dragon Quest 1, 3, 4, 5, 8
Grandia 1, 2
Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross
Xenogears
Skies of Arcadia
Earthbound, Mother 3
Wild Arms
Suikoden 1, 2
Paper Mario
Breath of Fire 2, 3
Nocturne

That’s it for real jarpeegees. As for iffys:

Phantasy Star Online (offline)
Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia, Granstream Saga
Zelda 1, 2 , 3, Link’s Awakening, OoT, MM, WW, TP (these shouldn’t count, but that’s just my opinion)
Nier
Secret of Mana, Seiken 3
Crystalis
Faxanadu
Demon’s Souls, Dark Souls
Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Story

That’s what I’ve beaten; I’ve played a bunch more, though. JRPGs are pretty effective wastes of time until you discover drinking. I don’t dislike them; in fact I like some of them a lot! I suspect my appreciation of them is due in large part to my ignorance of anime, though. For instance, when I played Final Fantasy 8 I remember thinking that the highschool setting was a really fresh and clever idea. Apparently it’s not.

More than any other videogame format, JRPGs benefit from strong middles, I think.

Phantasy Star IV
Super Mario RPG
Shining Force 2

And this thread reminded me that, god help me, I beat Golden Sun. Just thinking about it again is making me angry.

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Yeah ugh golden sun might have been the that killed RPGs for me

I still kind of admire golden sun for how immensely generic it was

it was an accomplished, by-the-numbers jrpg after the golden era of jrpgs without realizing it

which makes it really easy to love or hate

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Oh nothing really terrible just I guess stuff that makes me go “can’t believe I spent all that time on that thing” without having at least little bit of warm feeling about it. I played a lot of the damn things back then, say I loved Persona 2 but holy fuck just thinking about all the random encounters uuugh. Played many Final Fantasy but they didn’t left me with much.
I don’t want to make a proper list of videogames I regret finishing in this Xmas eve I’m spending alone tbh

shout-out to everyone who’s spending christmas eve alone itt

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I thought I played a lot of jrpgs but I only ever beat the Chrono games and Xenogears.

I’ve been sitting at the final dungeon of P4G for like a year and a half. If I had ONE MORE DAY I could have fully ranked up all S-Links but no. So I kind of lost my immense enthusiasm and now it just weighs heavy on my heart.

Dragon Quest I
Final Fantasy I, IV, XII
Earthbound
Quest 64

Really think that’s it. Which is funny because I think the DQ series is one of my favorites; I tend to get about 2/3rds-3/4ths through them and then stop, only to start over again later.

The story was also accidentally Spec Ops: The JRPG. Like, naive kid protagonists set out to save the world from something they don’t understand…and, precisely because they don’t understand what they’re doing, end up murdering the much more capable heroes who actually know how to save the world.
I wanted to toss that little fucker Isaac off the lighthouse like nobody’s business.

Thread is reminding me of Terranigma’s generally ace soundtrack

@bug how do you feel re kawazu (peace be upon him)

Traditional:
7th Stand User
Chrono Trigger
Crimson Shroud
Dragon Quest SNES
DQ4 DS
DQ5
FF4 DS (used a guide; don’t care)
FFX
FF Mystic Quest (regret)
God Medicine (regret)
Live A Live
Mother
Mother 2
Mother 3
Paper Mario
Pokemon Red
Pokemon Gold
Pokemon Ruby
Pokemon Pearl
Pokemon Y (regret)
Robopon Sun
SMT: Nocturne (twice)
SMT: Persona 3 FES
SMT: Persona 4
Suikoden
Super Mario RPG

Action:
.hack//Infection (twice, why?)
Brave Fencer Musashi
Castlevania: AoS
Castlevania: SotN
Demon’s Souls
Dark Souls (twice, plus SL1 run)
Dark Souls 2 (twice, plus SL1 run; don’t do that)
Dragon’s Dogma: Dark Arisen
Faxanadu
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts 2
Mega Man Battle Network 2
Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
Monster Hunter 3U
Monster Hunter 4U
Radiata Stories
Secret of Mana
TWEWY
Ys Book I

Tactical:
Disgaea
Final Fantasy Tactics
Makai Kingdom
Phantom Brave


There’s several regrets in there. Please stop me from subjecting myself to things for the sake of finishing them.

I remember for my birthday last year, during a weird crisis period in my life, I started making a list of how many RPGs I had played. At a certain point I was starting to feel bad and started really strangling down the stupidly strange criteria until finally I made a list of only JRPGs with “battle transitions” (strategy RPGs excluded) that I had played to completion. I still had over 100 games listed! I love these idiotic little messes and I was fortunate to have a whole lot of time to enjoy them!

What is interesting to me now were the games that I didn’t complete that I remember fondly and why they aren’t on that list. For example: Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land has a neat battle system with an enjoyable RPG “numbers game”, each turn of every battle is about making a sort of gamble to protect or attack. They really took a critical eye to the Wizardry systems and went to problem solving. Then at a certain point there is a random encounter enemy that actually steals your extremely precious levels away with each attack, with no guarantee of protecting yourself or of killing them prematurely. I didn’t care anymore! That good feeling of decision making was completely taken away for me. I think it’s a good discussion point to think about why we stop and why we don’t.

edit: haha there’s already another thread for that

I was pretty much just scanning this thread to see if anyone brought up Robotrek.

I don’t think my list is very exciting. It was my favorite genre way back when, but I got burned out on them around the time they hit the big time.

Dragon Warrior
Tombs and Treasures (sorta counts, right?)
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy 2/4
Final Fantasy 3/6
Chrono Trigger
Mystic Quest
Robotrek
Mario RPG
Final Fantasy VII
Suikoden
Final Fantasy Tactics
Persona 3 (I’m counting the bad ending)

If we’re getting into action jrpgs, I can add a bunch of more interesting stuff like NES Willow (and it’s overlooked soundtrack), Lagoon, proper 3 player Secret of Mana, FF Adventure…

I can’t credit myself with Earthbound, since I hopped save files in rental copies, although I think I’ve pretty much played it all.