has nintendo done anything to squelch the mario hacking community besides taking down youtube videos? (earnest question — it’s been a while since i’ve kept up with it myself)
yeah, the problem is that when you have a corporate actor who you can be absolutely confident are going to behave as badly as possible in this circumstance (as opposed to be least-effort benevolence of something like stardew valley), it makes less sense to say “well, if only they weren’t behaving badly, I guess the approach has other benefits” than it does to try to antagonize them into a perpetual stalemate, even if that means less accessible tooling
They’re mining, packaging, and selling it. You don’t squelch good ideas. You steal them.
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Conversely, ideas are near-worthless, and implementation and the work involved is the real value
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I mean, all of these ideas were implemented by non Nintendo folks.
They took their own ideas and made them reality.
And now Nintendo is erasing the record of other people doing this. And acting as if there is no history to it.
That’s bad.
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I agree, taking active steps to squelch these communities through things like copyright flags is bad!
The passive consequences, in which a stronger toolset saps an existing community, is an interesting and hard problem to evaluate. Obviously there’s an enormous difference in the usability and approachability of what Nintendo made versus the fan tools; I think it’s silly to say that Nintendo replicated their work, they did an enormously impressive job of working through an approachable level design tool, and teaching people how to use it. And even just a packaged product which can be downloaded from the official store makes a huge difference in accesibility. And that this grew the community of people able to make Mario levels by at least 2 orders of magnitude, as well as their audience, is something to balance against the damage that this popularity does to the tight but tiny and insular communities.
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Yes. They’ve shut down sites for the actual roms. They’ve shut down romhacks. They’ve shut down fangames.
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hey as long as that mother 4 fangame never sees the light of day
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Edit: Okay I’m stupid. I uploaded it before copying the level to change it. I copied it before uploading this time and now they’re acting as separate levels.
Yeah, it’s a really stupid restriction. I think Nintendo wants to keep people from spamming exact copies of the same level, but it’s overly draconian like every single one of their policies.
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My new level’s out!
Cactus Dimension: Ghost fortress
T0W-VF9-BNG
Cactus Dimension: Treasure Hunt
FV7 -XHY-5XG
@VastleCania I dare you to route this one 
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ah it’s hard I’m very rusty at this game! I’m going to come back to it tomorrow!
Great aesthetically! I always love how your levels look, and I’m jealous of your ability there.
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Ah, thank you!
Yeah, I made it quite hard intentionally. Employing a very anti-speedrun mentality which I guess is to many players’ detriment.
Hi @slime I beat your levels and they were fun but yes very hard.
There were a few spikes vertically that were hard to see and felt a little cheap, but everything else felt fair, but very precise!
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you can finally make worlds
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this is all cool.
a little surprised they are just copping to ending new content already, though?
for whatever reason, they really messed up the updates for this game
woulda been nice to have a new costume/level every week or so like the original mario maker
i’m very excited to finally make proper games with levels and all the new power ups look cool but i guess that blank space in extra themes is just gonna stay blank a year later
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brb gotta come up with 40 solid Mario levels.
Why does my phone autocorrect Mario to MARIO.
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oh my god
i really can’t believe it
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all of this stuff is cool and all, but we’re going to have to wait for mario maker 3 for chargin’ chuck?
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