like, hell.
those Monsters in our pockets sure came a long way in the last ten years, huh.
I have a nearly ten years old PC that needs a new processor, which probably also means a new motherboard and RAM.
I’m not interested in spending a ton of money, probably anything middle of the road will be a decent enough upgrade, should I like not fuck with an intel processor at all since they had that security bug?
I don’t even know where to start with any of this somebody help D:
you would literally have been better off in 2013 costwise
(even memory prices have only gone up) and I would never avoid intel outright, it’s pointless, but it’s not a bad time to get a Ryzen 1600 if that’s in your budget
it might be!~
should I be particularly choosy about motherboards or is any old thing fine
AMD doesn’t overclock quite as well as Intel but I think it’s probably worth getting one of the overclocking-friendly ones anyway, and I always like to get ITX boards, so that should narrow down your choices considerably and then you can just get the cheapest one with the ports you want from a good manufacturer
two minutes of looking suggests I would not be unhappy with this
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Don’t worry about the CPU security bug. That isn’t really a consideration for consumers. If you’re worried about security, the usual advice of keep your software auto-updated, use two-factor and use unique passwords with a password manager is what should be top of mind still. The “keep your software updated” part will cover you on software-side mitigations for the bug (along with the hundreds of other bugs you never hear about)
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right, the bug isn’t what concerns me, what concerns me is all these tech people on my fb being like “the patch is totally going to nerf performance on all of your devices”
which I don’t know if that’s true, but I’m just wondering if I should really worry about that going forward?
probably doesn’t matter :\
in most workloads it’s <5% impact, which is huge compared to any other recent vulnerability, but still not that much in real terms
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ITX boards still have a bit of a price premium if you don’t mind the larger ones.
I built a machine with an i5-8400 in October and it’s nice compared to the Ryzen 1600 if you favor single-threaded tasks vs multi-threaded. You can usually get a nice OC out of the non-x Ryzen components with the included cooler.
DDR4 is very expensive.
how long before you just stick in a 180gig optane dimm and never worry about having a million tabs open in 3 different browsers ever again
I have no idea if and when memory prices are supposed to come back down
Just like with oil price fluctuations and past electronics “shortages”, analysts are blaming capital investment delays but we’ll probably find out a few years from now that it’s really some cartel. So whenever they decide or get cracked down on
I know this is the ITX thread but you should probably go ATX because it’s cheaper and also most cases have room to work in
also you shouldn’t build a computer right now unless you feel like paying through the nose for DDR4 and a GPU
I will be boring and say just do a super basic i5 7600/8400/R5 1600+1050(ti) with 8 GB of RAM or, even “I’m gonna wait this out”-mode, a full used parts build
I got 16gigs (2x8gb) of DDR4 3000mhz with tight timings for less than $65 in June 2016. Prices have more than doubled in the past year or so.
Also, the idea that ITX is more expensive, is pretty much not true anymore.
Indeed, you can get bottom barrel budget stuff in ATX and Micro ATX. But at all product points $100 and up, the features are relatively the same. Albeit ITX has to cut the amount of ports, due to physical size limitations. But size is the whole point of ITX anyway.
Also, AMD is releasing Ryzen 2 in March.
Felix, I want you to know I’m not meaning to fight with you over CPUs
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It’s OK! I was concerned we were going back and forth too much too.
(I do think the hardocp crowd like pathologically fails to acknowledge how good current apple chips are though)
It’s hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison between iPhones and PC CPU/GPUs:
- iPhones are really locked down so you cannot eliminate non-hardware factors like the same software on the same OS.
- The thermal and power envelope is very different.
- The number of CPU cores is different (2 “main” cores on iPhone vs 4 standard on mid-end PCs). The main type of benchmark which does allow a somewhat apples-to-apples comparison is Safari JS benchmarks, which is a single-core benchmark
- Apple doesn’t have any interest in undermining its expensive Macbook brand, and the public’s performance opinions never change without a big branding push or a catchy meme. They only want to compare their technology to Android ARMs.
I do agree Apple ARMs are extremely impressive technology but I also think part of the story here is that they’re very well-adapted to their niche. If you just plopped one in a laptop you might be underwhelmed. How would it look with higher wattage and real multitasking?
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i mean those are great points but it’s probably more that enthusiast communities are just really invested in having meltdowns about apple
lol
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No love lost there anyway, Google and Facebook have 80%+ of all advertising revenue at this point and there are infinitely many good security reasons to block ads no matter how sympathetic you are to media site sustainability.