i have been rewatching every movie with spider-man in it because i like spider-man, and i am perhaps not so surprisingly having a ton of very deep thoughts about them
so far i have recently only rewatched civil war, and the first two raimi movies. i started with civil war mostly because falcon and the winter soldier was so confusing i had to rewatch it to remember like, who zemo was, but that is what inspired this probably bad decision.
at first i thought i would wait until i finished all of them to start typing, but i don’t want to forget as i go so this is probably going to turn into a thread as ridiculous as my star wars thread. i know a lot of people here hate this shit so i’m quarantining it to its own thread rather than polluting the general movies or comics book thread. if you just want to post contentless rumination about how you hate marvel movies please feel free to do it in another thread. on the other hand as you can see i don’t really love any of these movies either so it’s not like this has to be a ‘let people enjoy things’ thread.
about civil war all i have to say is that the scene between peter and tony stark is still the best and most personally affecting version of the ‘great power/great responsibility’ story for me, hate me forever about it i guess.
anyway my reaction to seeing spider-man 1 for the first time maybe since it came out is: i didn’t really like this movie when it was released, and i still don’t really like it. i am honestly amazed it performed as well as it did, people were really starving for some spider-based action adventure i guess.
the things about it that are great are:
willem dafoe, even though the script barely knows what to do with him about 3/4 of the movie.
everything with jj jameson - in fact i am certain that these scenes alone are why these movies are still so highly regarded in general. i think the style of the writing captures the Actual Energy of a certain era of Spider-man comics a lot better than anyone gives them credit for, but i still don’t think this makes them good cinema (example: spider-man calling green goblin “gobby”). with jameson i feel like they struck a perfect balance between matching the energy of the comics while still shooting it in a way that made it entertaining to watch.
james franco: honestly not a person i care about at all, and he is a mega creep so forget him, but if there is anything about the raimi movies i didn’t appreciate the first time around, it is how much of the trilogy is really about peter / harry relationship, and how much of that is carried by franco’s performance. in the script there is literally nothing to justify why they are friends, but i still accept it is true because of his performance.
tobey maguire, sometimes. this is also something i’ve changed my mind about. the thing that bothered me the most about the movie when it came out was how pathetic parker was. i don’t mean like peter parker needs to be this ultimate badass hero guy, i mean in the way i felt like the movie was too often expecting you to laugh/cringe at him rather than actually relate to him.
i think i was probably too close to adolescence to be able to see it any other way. but looking back on it from my current grizzled state, i actually feel like it is a pretty good take on the character and the general awkwardness of being a teen. i still think the movie would be a little bit better if his arc to where he ends up at the end was executed a little better, but in general i appreciated him a lot more in this movie than i remembered when i saw it the first time.
stuff i didn’t like:
basically everything else? the cgi is horrible, these movies are all grossly pro-cop, and the peter-mary jane relationship is so confusing. i like that it ends up with him vowing that he needs to be a vigilante volcel to protect his loved ones, but the path that gets him there just feels very discordant and chopped up. i also think it’s weird that mj falls for him for basically no reason, it just seems kind of gross to me that she goes from not knowing who he is to being like, obsessively devoted to him basically because he stopped wearing glasses.
i don’t want to rant too much about this, but something i’ve been noticing more and more as i rewatch movies is how often you can kind of see the seams in the editing and screenwriting showing. like there are lots of scenes that don’t really seem to lead logically from one to the next, and lots of lines in the script that appear to refer to things they expect the audience to know but have been cut out of the movie. it also just has a ridiculously gross aesthetic
anyway i will probably post more about spider-man 2 later but, spoiler alert, it’s much better.
i will leave you with this observation: until looking up the cast, i thought elizabeth banks’s character was actually played by parker posey. also, did you know that octavia spencer and jim norton are spider-man? i did not know until exactly this moment that flash is played by joe mangianello. he looks different.
did you know that daniel dae kim, aasif mandvi, and joel mchale are in spider-man 2?