I just grew up with a Game Boy and then became obsessed with Melee which acted as a gateway game to some other stuff. It is crazy how most Zelda games before BOTW seem so clumsy now. When I was younger they were considered the pinnacle.
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Yeah, itās very good. I slightly prefer it to SEGA Transformed even aesthetically because of the good Toads (pit toad, astronaut toad).
I wish theyād do more tracks like Smashās support but Nintendo discovering āserviceā game models is a monkey paw waiting to happen.
Maybeā¦ Smash Kart? Noā¦ no.
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i would definitely subscribe to like, new tracks. getting a new set of tracks every quarter would frickin rule. i play this game way too much.
Even just like remixes with existing assets or an editor because I have sucked all of the fun out by memorizing a racing line in Toad Turnpike like itās the god damn Nurburgring.
Same issue exists in shooters - even with multiplayer the space defines engagements and thereās only so many encounters.
Anyway, SM64 I guess.
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Pikmin 3 is good, too, even though itās a more-of-the-same sequel. I still have yet to play the co-op mode, but I am looking forward to trying it one day.
I guess you can get Pikmin 3 on Switch now, but apparently they made the game a lot easier? Maybe thatās to make it more accessible for young kids.
I played Pikmin 3 on the wii u for a few hours and wasnāt incredibly impressed with it. But I chalk that up to āthe first game did it well and in 1/4 of the time investment so sequels are totally pointless anywayā. Glad that people liked it but it was not for me. Not as bad as Pikmin 2 though
Totally figures they made it easier though
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i did this, game rules
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my teenage years
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i am losing steam voting for games i dont really care that much about for ten rounds now BUT I MUST PRESS ON. all the ideas for how to do this again are exciting
chrono trigger, mario 64, nocturne, god hand, f zero, mario 1, shiren, puyo
all my reasons are in other threads
To explain myself again (though you already know this) itās never been about saying nintendo is bad. I like every Nintendo game on this list. I like them a lot. I just feel like it doesnāt say anything to have them at the top of our list. Where at the end of this if it ended up Sky Oddessy, Outrun, and Deus Ex that would inspire folks to play those 3 games and work out their own feelings on them.
I have certainly been revisiting a lot of games on this list for the last six months. Which is all the more reason to do a second round. And now that we understand campaign more for specific games.
This is a bad reductive example but it is like someone talking to a girl and saying āYOUāVE NEVER SEEN STAR WARS?ā but about Mario 64.
I disagree with Tulpa and think the popularity contest has already happened when we got down to 85 games. Now itās a binary decision that surprise results ina 51/49 split pretty often. Itās not like one game lost.
I obviously flip my votes a lot in this contest but just when presented with a Nintendo I think is this really gonna change someoneās mind?
Like I am pretty certain Deus Ex will make me pull out my hair in 2021 but it is one of the few PC games representives and is this whole school of game design that still exists and even if you donāt like it I think it has a lot to gain from playing and seeing āah yes video games.ā
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I said this last time but in like 5 years when everyone forgets Iāve made this post we should again ask everyone to make their ābest ofā lists and again claim we are correlating them to pick the initial 85, but surprise do the opposite and only include any game that is never listed twice
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Interesting, and totally valid of course but I never really thought of this as a kind of manifesto-type list for some imagined audience. Iāve just been voting for games based on their own merits as I see it like itās not so much an SB consensus as an SB census. If we were aiming for āsaying somethingā though I totally would have been down to look at some gamefaqs poll and ban the top 85 games on it and I think I would have voted differently but idk who the audience is? Someone who hasnāt played many games? Someone who has strictly contemporary mainstream tastes? Someone āliterateā in classic gamefaqs poll adjacent stuff and not much else?
If itās the first two, Iād still push something like SM64 cuz a) Itās 25 years old and plenty of people havenāt played it and these days I donāt think itās as revered/ubiquitous with players as we older millennials think it is and I still think it kicks and b) Itās interesting to look at as an historical artefact if youāre at all interested in 3D action games. I was watching Nina Freeman stream it after not having played it since childhood and it was really fun to see a game designer engage with it fresh and mostly forgotten and find it really compelling! So I think it still has something to offer and I donāt really see how having Dark Souls, Katamari Damacy, Shadow of the Colossus or DOOM at the top is saying something while having SM64 up there would be saying less because Nintendo made it. But I guess thatās what weāve been debating, maybe with different goals in mind.
Anyway, all of this is to say: itās interesting to me how people are approaching this from different angles and justifying picks and thank you for tolerating my shameless shilling for SM64 (just donāt mistake me for a Nintendo fan plz, I havenāt owned a Nintendo device since the Wii and couldnāt care less about their brand).
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I maybe meant āplayedā rather than āubiquitousā though this goes back to what audience weāre hypothetically presenting to and Deus Ex is probably maybe less played among gamerz at large? I donāt even know. So if thatās important to oneās voting I get it. Wow I think Iāve just reached the extent to which I can talk about SM64 anymore. No more no more.
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as the internet still consults the SB Wiki Recommends more than we think I have to prepare.
Not that I am going to re-learn wiki formating to update it I have enough no-pay internet jobs.
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agree. i also think weāre maybe misrepresenting what gamefaqs poll/average gamer canons tend to look like in practice. for instance, deus ex has been brought up a few times as a less canonized/represented type of game still in the running, but itās in the ālist of video games considered the bestā wikipedia article, whereas outrun 2, killer7, demonās souls, god hand, nocturne and puyo puyo are not, despite mostly being selectbutton sacred cows.
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I think the funny thing is that, on paper, I agree with you. āInterestingā is better than āwell designedā or whatever.
But I played Deus Ex and it immediately pissed me off and I learned nothing from it. Same with System Shock. Like, I know these are important games but they are so unapproachable as to be pointless to me.
Honestly I think this is a matter of taste more than anything! I really dug Elder Scrolls Arena when I played it, and itās equally unapproachable, but it is very aesthetically pleasing to me and has many of the things I prefer. Itās also a power fantasy thatās easily broken once you get past a certain point, and is far less simulationist than many SB favs
So yeah, I dunno! I would rather play Wario Land 4 for the 15th time than āeat my vegetablesā and play Deus Ex or whatever. I think I learn more from playing something I enjoy than something that makes me actively angry.
But youāre right and it is uninteresting to say āMario 64ā to anyone at this point. I guess Iām notā¦interested in being interesting, somehow. I just want to say āNo, this is the best game, if you play it you will have a good time, it is likely not important but also nothing is important.ā
Hence Katamari being my āgame of all timeā pick - itās easy to recommend to anyone, itās weird enough to stick in memory forever, and it has no descendants to speak of. Itās a good game!! If you play it for 10 minutes you will enjoy your 10 minutes with it!! thatās all i care about
also this, i loathe doing things with an audience in mind other than the most basic things (i.e. sound quality on podcasts, not wasting too much of peopleās time with nonsense, not being a huge asshole), which is why i donāt really have an audience except people who already know and like me. Thinking about an audience will both paralyze and annoy me.
I donāt think thereās anything wrong with doing things with an audience in mind, itās just my kryptonite.
anyway just to clarify iām not like, heated about this or anything. I think itās very interesting to hear how people decide to vote the way that they do!! I would argue itās slightly reductive to say āno nintendo gamesā because they have made interesting shit (cough gameboycamera cough) but hey, i voted for a game because tulpa told me to. we all have our criteria.
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I keep saying this but this whole thing started 7 months ago and I canāt believe people are complaining about the list. It is obnoxious and disrespectful to the people who actually worked on it. If you arenāt happy make your own list, get on it right now, no need to wait for this one to wrap up, no oneās stopping you, show us all how exciting a list with no Marios would be, canāt wait to see it.
Like, who is gonna come along and take this or any poll as any kind of statement in 2021. If they do they are probably young and not terribly informed about The Days Before Games All Became Services and seeing some of these big older titles placed alongside quirkier fare will probably do more to pique their curiosity than a list of 100 MS-DOS and Twine Games You Missed Out On.
To me this is a fun little thing where I got to see what choices my friends make and any accusations that these choices arenāt āinterestingā seems to be vastly overestimating the current popularity of most of the games on this list, like even if Mario 64 is still beloved it is quite unlike most of the games it influenced, in 2021 it is a kinda weird game, no one is really doing anything of note in that style nowadays, or at least theyāre not doing it very well. No oneās really championing these things for nostalgia reasons, when folks do talk about their favs they tend to be somewhat critical of them, they havenāt been rehashing the same talking points weāve heard elsewhere for the last xx decades, who cares, Iām cranky!!
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Hereās the top 20 from the Comics Journal best 100 comics of the 20th century poll. Itās from 1999 so itās largely American dudes. Donāt think thereās much manga, canāt remember if there are many Euro comics, itās the Journal so thereās Fantagraphics stuff all over the place, but who cares about what itās missing, there are only like 5 superhero comics on there, that is like heaven to me, I wish our culture had so little superhero representation.
Anyway that list is highly flawed, like all lists, and I was familiar with a good chunk of it already but seeing stuff I was either unaware of or had written off or considered pablum ranked higher than a lotta the stuff I loved at the time made me reconsider things a bit. Peanuts and Krazy Kat and Mad over Calvin & Hobbes?? Are you kidding me?!* I wouldnāt say I changed my life, I woulddnāt say itās a great list, but I donāt see it as all too dissimilar to this one and I think criticizing this one for being too normie underrates the value in talking about popular things. That shitās important, it can hook people and change the way they look at things, and Select Button tends to do a better job of it than anywhere else ā thatās one of the reasons why I post here!!
Also these style of games are probably all dying and Dota is the only game that matters on the list, thanks
*Turns out theyāre all better than Calvin & Hobbes. Except Mad. Iām still not into Mad.
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Little Nemo is a top comic and a top NES game.
Almost everything by R. Crumb that Iāve read hasnāt appealed to me much. The big exception is his Book of Genesis, which is excellent.
Maybe we should do a comic ranking, too. Something equivalent to just the nominations part of this. That could lead to interesting discussions and new discoveries.
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Sky Odyssey lost, and with it, all hope
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Yeah Genesis and a few of the comics about his childhood relationship with his brothers are pretty much all the Crumb I can stomach. Also some of the infotainment stuff like the PK Dick strip. The racist and sexist stuff fucking blows on every level.