The thing that pisses me off about BVS is that Dark Knight Returns is the best use of the Batman and Superman characters for 2019 politics, it’s about the rise of populist fascism against the neoliberal world order and now we’ll never get that movie cause they let Snyder waste all of DKR’s imagery on his stupid vanity project
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Honestly Scorcese’s article has some weak foundations, he’s trying to change the definition of « cinema » to, uh, basically whatever he likes. Aren’t some of Kore-Eda’s works not Cinema now because they’re relatively predictable and safe?
I guess this was fine as a small handoff remark but not now that he’s trying to justify said remark with a whole article
He’s definitely right about anything else though. Marvel movies are such extremely transparent power fantasies that severely lack charisma and style, like Jeb Bush trying to look cool
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It’s always icky when people use the phrase “cinematic universe” like it means something outside of Marvel™️ marketing.
I went with some people from work to see Kevin Smith do a Q and A about his new movie recently, and like 75% of the questions were about Stan Lee. It was weird. I love comics but I cannot understand the rabid fan base this stuff has. All these movies suck!
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please clap
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Why is it ok for regular people to have guilty pleasures and ridiculous opinions like “2001 is a slow boring movie” but when famous people do it it’s a problem
amusingly (?), before the MCU, Smith had arguable the most visible shared film universe with the View Askiewniverse in the 90s
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also if they’re gonna be called “franchise” films instead of series, then, just like a McDonald’s, I should be able to put down a few hundred thousand dollars to be able to open my own film in the franchise.
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Man I really do want a double down now
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I don’t agree that 9/11 had lasting restrictions on entertainment, as a whole. Outside of a short window of edits, delays, or cancellations for certain content-----things resumed as they were. And the first MCU movie was what, Iron Man? 2008 is preettty late to be claiming a response to 9/11. Especially considering everythign which was in theaters and on TV before 2008 but after 2001.
You can’t understand the fan base for the creator of many of the most iconic heroes ever?
So your thesis is that 9/11 has had no lasting impact on cultural output in America?
That just makes no sense.
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I think the question isn’t “Why do people like Stan Lee?” but “Why would 75% of the people asking questions at a Kevin Smith event for his new movie just be asking questions about Stan Lee?” (and not asking for several specific apologies for several specific tweets)
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this was the film of the live show?
super fucked up imho, there’s a big song about cooking and cleaning and being docile for your man and the obvious heroine in any other movie (she refuses to do this and instead is taking community college classes) is like, also of course a cheater on her boris kodjoe-type perfect man and is the villain who for whatever reason must Go To Jail
the thing that bothers me about the wave of auteurs ragging on these movies is when it seems like they just don’t get the allure of formulaic episodic entertainment.
talking about superheros like they are ‘modern myths’ in some kind of campbellian sense is irritating as fuck to me, but i do think there’s something to be said for the fact that since time immemorial we have been telling stories about dudes with extremely fixed character traits who just roam the land hacking off monster limbs and finding magic crystals over and over again. like the ‘modern myth’ idea works to me not because i think iron man is like zeus or whatever, but because there is a kind of pure and primal storytelling energy where you are driven to continue engaging because a) you want to find out what happens next and b) you already kind of know what is going to happen next.
it’s the same reason i get irritated when people get all philosophical about how you shouldn’t avoid film spoilers because its all about the craft or whatever. like, i’m familiar with the craft people, it’s not that interesting in this case. if we are talking about ozu or whatever yeah it’s not going to ruin the movie if you tell me the old man is going to be kind of poignantly sad at the end of it. that’s not the case in these things. i am watching these movies to find out what the fuck happens to spider-man. it’s the only reason. and it’s fun to not know until you see it.
but yeah fuck disney and their ridiculous megalomania. homer would never.
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No.
I don’t think 9/11 means that we only have simple entertainment and only certain types of stories.
*But more specifically: I don’t think 9/11 has anything to do with the success of Iron Man and subsequently, the Marvel movies.
Probably because Stan Lee died.
Oddly I watched Scorcese’s Cape Fear earlier today and… that really has nothing to do with what’s being discussed. It was pretty alright though.
Prince died too. And no one brought him up.
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Stan Lee was in Mallrats.
Stan Lee’s cameo for Captain Marvel, is him reading the Mallrats script.
Kevin Smith wrote some Marvel comics, including a run of Daredevil.
Of all the movies, Iron Man in particular is a child of 9/11. It is explicitly set in America’s 21st century war in Afghanistan and it’s incredibly available for readings as a fantasy about the goodness of the entire American war machine.
Admission: I have a severe cultural studies bent and believe that every text ever made (and the audience who receives it) is conversant with the time and place of its production (and reception) and the idea that any piece of 21st century American (or most world) art/entertainment doesn’t have some political relationship to 9/11 and what that initiated just does not hold water.
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