sb 85 pt. 24: you love katamari (and doom)

ok so new format for the finals: we’re going to have a week to make impassioned and sincere arguments for which game you think should win the tournament and then vote on quality of posts rather than the games themselves! if you don’t feel like doing so i dont really feel like stopping you from just voting for whatever game you like more anyways even if maybe the other side has better arguments so this is really more of a suggestion than anything. but yes voting will commence on monday!! so i hope that presents ppl with enough time to write what they want to write.

bracket here:

https://challonge.com/cbh5dyr4

list as it currently stands here:

hmmm i have yet to compile mine and other people’s favorite posts from the various threads we have had on this tournament but pls feel free to post em here! i’ll be posting some of my favs shortly.

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One game is about murdering embarrassing looking monsters ripped from the notebook of a hateful pubescent dweeb who’s too much of a chicken to shoot up their school and the other’s the greatest game ever made so I think this is a slam dunk here, really think you gotta vote for Katamari Damacy.

Is that passionate enuff :smiling_imp:

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I was waiting for the misdirection where the novelty keshigomu are notebook monsters or something dang played straight

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The other day I learned I had a neighbor named Jon Romero and you know I wouldn’t have made the prior post if I was likely to meet that Gamedev God in the flesh

But the real deal doesn’t spell his first name with an h so fuck it, vote for Katamari

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Bachelorsoft presents Tonari no Romero

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What if I make a passionate argument about it being silly to randomly change the voting criteria for the final round in a several months long deal rather than just use said criteria for the next thing of these we do?

Sorry, been in a cranky mood all day but I really do find that to be a perplexing idea.

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some of the posts ive really appreciated in these threads (pls dont feel offended by exclusion here i haven’t really gone thru all the threads and read every post yet)

the re4 part of this post really helped recontextualize the way i saw capcom’s entire output in that era, not just re4 but dmc3, god hand, killer7:

i really appreciate @yarusenai writing about the gameboy camera, as someone who i feel has a shared sensibility w/rt to photography as me!

i will admit to not having ever had a huge amount of interest in mirror’s edge but this post made it sound really cool in a way that made me want to try it:

i agree…

its this simple sometimes

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yeah thats fair… but its more of a suggestion and at the end of the day ppl can vote for which game they like more!

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So should I be making an impassioned plea for Katamari or should it be for Wizard of Wor or New Zealand Story or whatever else because the sky’s the limit?

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yeah for katamari or doom!!

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It’s worth remembering that Katamari Damacy is a much more violent game than Doom. Does that count for it or against it?

You are jamming people and animals against sharp metal and fire, likely suffocating any living thing you pick up early on that’s not impaled or otherwise killed on impact. Any survivors live only a few additional minutes before being shot into space.

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I was gonna say it all works out cuz they’re all part of the cosmos but it turns out those weirdo kids just say I FEEL THE COSMOS, not I AM THE COSMOS and I have spent decades wondering if Takahashi was into Big Star for no good reason.

This isn’t entirely my fault okay, I played the import first, I played it day one, I probably got some iffy translation from The Magic Box or Mad Man’s Cafe or some shit.

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ALSO, if doom wins this matchup we’ll just have another round of regular voting to tie everything off, bc of bracket reset stuff u know

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Damn is that like sending the tourney to minus world

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Will you fight?

doom

Or will you perish like a dog?

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Doom was the sufficiently improved incremental upgrade to Wolf3D, whereas Katamari was a bolt from the blue. Like Ol’ Dirty Bastard, there is no father to it’s style.

The only criticism I could level at Katamari’s nomination is that the slightly tweaked sequel is better (that’s where my original vote went), but in this case maybe you could say the same thing about Doom, so that’s totally a moot point.

And on the topic of legacy I know some folks who’d consider Duke3D as besting Doom at its own game, but no one is going to go to bat for The Wonderful End of the World or American McGee’s Grimm (itself on the Doom family tree) as obsoleting Katamari.

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katamari is a multimedia masterpiece but it’s also necessarily an airtight project and with a lot of onboarding (done as charmingly as possible, but)

doom is more immediate - boot up, difficulty, mapscreen, go
and messier - people fucking around with wads to this day

and i’ve played and like, dissected way more of the latter than the former so it wins

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Katamari is something I was obsessed with as a young teen. I rolled around for a week straight getting faster times and making bigger stars. Then I reached the end of what I could do, but my obsession remained. The only thing I could do with that energy was share it with other people. That feels like the true magic of the game. It has a viral power that just infects people with curiosity and joy. Obviously, Doom has its own viral power, but the audience for it is constrained. I could show Katamari to basically anyone and it would grab their attention. It’s a game that makes me want to create things for an audience. It makes me want to surprise people and create works that communicate.

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i want to believe

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The standout thing about this matchup is that both of these games are ones I would happily pick up and play on any day for the rest of my life. Both are perfect objects that don’t decay with time. Hard to choose!!

But the vibe of Katamari (uncanny, joyful, cynical, mathematical) is in my Top 5 List Of Things I Cherish In Media, and it’s vanishingly rare. Doom is great but lots of things are Badass.

Also the sequel is more cynical, even if it’s a better game objectively, and it throws off the balance. I love a game that is never improved upon, even by its direct descendants. Katamari All The Way Baby!!

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