i was gonna say the exact same thing lol
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the question of whether video games are art would be more interesting if i got the sense that the people most invested in the answer being âyesâ ever seriously engaged with mediums that werenât video games. or were open to video games being discussed and critiqued the way other forms of âartâ are lol
also, i canât accept any definition of video games as âartâ that presumes we count things like âshadow of the colossusâ and âbioshock infiniteâ (lol cliff bleszinski) but not âsuper mario bros.â and âpac-manâ
also, i donât care
also, i always post when the question comes up so i clearly care on some level
also, lol
also, lolol
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Theyâre good sometimes!! 
Um, I feel like any game that you enjoy a lot is good art to youâŚin terms of like, being expressive or communicating deep truths or having like genuinely touching gameplay or that sort of thing, I feel that way about Balance of Power and Dwarf Fortress, just for like, some random examples off the top of my head. I think we should allow that games that are just fun can be good art on that basis too though, like, the same way that the Melvins can be a fun band. Itâs not easy or anything to make art like that after all.
YES OMFG I AGREE SO MUCH OMG OMG OMG
I really feel like this is like, 1000% of the problem with the whole discussion. Iâve never really gotten the feeling that the whole discourse around âgames as artâ has ever been that interested in art really per se, more just in badgering the âart worldâ to take notice. I canât help but note that it stopped being such a hot-button issue once that happened.
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i think a whole lot of what compelled the âdebateâ ultimately comes down to insecurity and anxiety over making your entire life and personality revolve around a thing that is, or at least was, widely regarded as the province of children.
all about getting that external validation without wanting to deal with anything else that might entail.
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i alluded to it above but i can never actually pass up the opportunity to post this legendary tweet
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Videogames became art when Majoraâs Mask was released but sadly had their art status revoked when Tears Of The Kingdom was released
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Yeah, totally. I guess I just mean like, once games started appearing at major galleries and prestigious universities started having programs around them and such, I think that provided that on some level, so then it wasnât eating at people as much. Plus that opened up new ways of making money in the game world and I think thatâs what some people were ultimately after even if they didnât necessarily acknowledge it in their thoughts at the time.
Awww CliffyBâŚbrings a tear to yer eyeâŚwhen the world was yet youngâŚ
I guess actually, speaking of the whole Ebert thing, it is kind of telling that, even though I do think like recognition from the formal art world did mollify people somewhat, he was probably the #1 figure people were desparate for acknowledgement from, and to some extent I think that speaks to how little connection many of the participants really had to like, analysis or consideration of art outside the realm of like commercial reviews in newpapers or magazines or w/e. Itâs kind of funny to me on that basis that anyone involved even cared very much about games being âconsidered art.â I kind of have this impression that like, once the high art world heard that a lot of people wanted games to be taken seriously as art, many people there were just sort of like, âOh, uh, okay, sure, um, yeah!â having like barely thought about games much one way or the other up until that point but wanting to be good sports etc., and then many of the game people were like, âOkay cool theyâre art now,â and then like both groups kind of went their separate ways and they still donât actually talk that much.
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only arcade games are art
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The trick with this kind of conversation is to just broaden the idea of art beyond a culturally-loaded âhighly deliberate and meaning-filledâ thing, and then we can just say obviously games are art. In the case of games, it just happens that most of it is bad art.
Thanks! You really nailed it and it feels very enriching seeing this verbalized
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âŚbut are videogames fart
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yes
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The application of philosophy to the world creates art. If you thought hard about doing it before you did it, you practiced art. Anything can be art if someone cares about it enough. Jackass made shitting an art.
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In other words a video game is art but only when it is made by an artist.
learned a new slang or word usage from a boardgame token, DUCK
is it common, should I used it?
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Assuming this is âduckâ as a verb defined like this:
yeah itâs common and shouldnât raise any eyebrows if you use it. Itâs a longstanding usage that I wouldnât consider slang. Itâs not usually paired with âbackâ as in this token though: typically itâs used standalone.
(Ironically the only uncommon usage there is (3) relating to water, even though thatâs the one most closely related to the feeding behavior of ducks.)
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think duck diving (swimming straight down from the surface of a body of water) is still a common swimming term. and I remember the old safety signs admonishing pool users NO DUCKING
This is a counter from Compass Gameâs Combat!, so itâs grognardese shorthand for âduck back [into cover]â. duck here meaning to withdraw, abscond; get away from, avoid, dodge. all colloquial, all common
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duck is short for âDuck you suckerâ a common phrase everyone uses
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