MUWT 2: The Quickening

I laughed way harder at the bit immediately after it.

The bit after it just made the laughter worse

I really liked Deadpool quite a bit

Never need to see it again, but if costumeperson tyranny is going to continue to own Hollywood I would rather the output was this small and silly

Watched Mad Max: Fury Road, holy hell!!!

edit: fuck!!!

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It’s the only time I’ve bothered to see a film multiple times whilst it was in cinemas.

Must have watched it a good half-dozen times that way, one time before an Indiana Jones trilogy session.

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I rewatched Star Wars: TFA over the weekend. I saw it in theaters opening weekend and liked it quite a bit.

I think a lot of people more-or-less predicted this around the time the movie came out, but TFA doesn’t really didn’t hold up in any way. A few of the action beats are decent (but not as good as I remember) but as soon as you know where the story is going and aren’t racing to keep up it completely falls apart and the dumb JJ Abrams mystery box nonsense becomes a lot more infuriating.

The prequels are v. bad movies beginning to end but defenders usually mention that they really only make any sense if you read a thousand of the EU books and watch however many hours of the Clone Wars cartoon, which, you know, fuck that.

I know (think?) there is only one EU book out now for the new trilogy but there are so many little things in TFA that are left un- or under-explained (Basically all of Jakku, the M. Falcon, no more clones?, Phasma, etc etc etc) and I don’t know if its explained in the EU or left to be explained in a later movie or just meant to be taken for granted, which is such an annoying thing to be thinking about while watching a movie.

But whatever I totally fell for it upon the first watch so good job JJ ya got me.

Also I went and saw Batman v. Superman over the weekend. I genuinely don’t like to be super negative about movies and I’ve been a Snyder apologist forever but good golly that movie is a load of dog shit.

Why do I keep giving my money to these movies :frowning:

there are a lot of weird ellisions (like the failure to explain the actual relationships between the New Republic and the Resistance and the New Order in anything approaching clarity) but I don’t see why any of those things you list need any explanation in conclusion you are wrong about everything in life for eternity :waynestare:

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CROSSFIT?!

aw man that’s such a better example of what I’m talking about than what I said.

The Phasma mystery is actually ā€˜why is this character so prominently marketed, she only has like two lines in the whole movie and ends up in the trash’

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well people seem to like bobba fett even though he’s around for all of five minutes. he delivers his bounty then sticks around, presumably to blow his winnings on alien sex workers and gambling at jabba’s place, then gets killed by a blind guy

He does at least one thing in the whole movie, but yeah I don’t get bobba either.

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Because a 4K restoration of Phantasm doesn’t come cheap.

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Do we need to talk about this?

Complaining about unexplained plot pointsl/ background details and over marketed side characters… Have you guys seen a star war before?

Those are exactly the reasons people love the first 3 movies…

I only liked the first two movies. RotJ lost me on how much an incoherent toy commercial it was.

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I’m going to disagree with you here as the EU didn’t even become a thing until the late 80’s or early 90’s way after the first three movies came out. I guess there were toys and the holiday special and kids making up Boba Fett backstories on the playground but for the most part everything Star Wars was basically on the screen for ANH - ROTJ.

But anyways I’m not complaining about the movie having un-explained hints of a bigger universe, what I am complaining about above is that it annoys me when tentpole blockbusters (which should be the easiest fucking movies to write in the whole universe) ask the audience to indulge in inter-textual readings just to get the ā€œfull storyā€. It was a dumb thing when they did it for the SW prequel movies, and it’s a dumb thing now. Also I have no doubt that if the original Star Wars movies came out in 2016 they would do the same thing, but they didn’t and they don’t.

You can always ignore the external world building stuff (and I do) but learning that it is out there is a door that for whatever reason I can’t close, and it creates a dissonance in my lizard brain when watching movies that have it, like watching the third movie in a trilogy without having seen the first two. Regardless this is the state we find ourselves in for big movies in 2016 so I realize I’m just screaming and shaking my fist at the heavens like a crazy person but whattya gonna do.

Yeah, I’m not talking about the EU at all, I’m talking about the fact that one of the earliest toy sets (the ā€œCantina Setā€, 1978) included such memorable figures as ā€œHammerheadā€ and ā€œWalrus Man,ā€ and that since then basically every humanoid that appears on screen in a Star Wars movie has had an action figure. The marketing was pretty intertwined with the storytelling basically as soon as anyone realized the movie was going to be successful.

But the less cynical aspect of this is the notion that what you see in the Star Wars movies is only a sliver of a much bigger story in an even bigger world. Even from the first movie, the characters are always referencing things as though they are extremely significant even when they are never mentioned again. This creates fodder for EU nonsense, but it existed prior to any deliberate effort to fill in those blanks (other than like, making up bullshit about characters to include on their toy packages, see above). It was pretty divisive when the film was in production (I’m guessing the overabundance of proper nouns without any clear referents at least partly inspired the Ford quip, ā€œYou can type this shit, George, but you sure can’t say itā€)

Some of those details are pretty insignificant, but others are basically on the level of the things described above… what, exactly, does the Empire want, why Alderaan, what is Leia a princess of, not to mention Obi Wan’s monologue about Clone Wars and so on that for most of the existence of the franchise was just a total mystery.

I think the existence of stuff like the EU is actually part of what makes us so skeptical of little gestures like this, which in my view have always been pretty calculated efforts to create a very specific effect that is both disorienting and intriguing (the series starts on episode 4 and begins basically in the middle of a scene already in progress). But now that we anticipate that all of these various threads should (and will) be exploited in some companion text, they all start to look like questions that demand answers, and the whole thing just becomes very unsatisfying.

But of course, from basically the earliest possible point, all of it has already been part of the marketing of the movies, even if the most detailed EU stuff itself didn’t come until later. I think it’s ok to be cynical about it, but it is a little odd to be cynical about it while at the same time acting as though there was something pure and self contained about any of the original movies, and blame it all on JJ Abrams.

edit: What I mean is, if you’re content to just ignore all of the EU stuff, and actually do that, I don’t think there is really any perceivable difference between the way the new movies handle exposition and the way the older ones did. If anything, TFA is a better imitation of the style of the original trilogy than the prequels were.