Alright, time to listen to Don Giovanni, again.
sondheim could kick mozartās ass
What, like, physically? Iāll give you that one
(I think Sondheim is pretty good, step off my nuts man)
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I worked in a movie theater that blasted the Wicked soundtrack on repeat for the half hour between features, so I was ludovico technique subjected to those songs so much that I involuntarily clench my jaw if I hear that particular genre of music.
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I donāt experience the feeling of cringe ever, unless Iām watching a hollywood musical. I will like, gnaw my arm off. it feels like anti-music. granted iāve only seen the classics and disney stuff, so maybe itās just that I hate the actual movies and then a musical number on top just ruins me, but even the music in happiness of the katakuris, an otherwise pretty okay movie makes me wanna fast forward so bad. i tried to be polite and watch singing in the rain a couple years back with tegās mom but no that didnt work, i think that was my most recent attempt at being normal about musicals
even bjorks falling in song where she goes ālike falling in looooveā is so cheesy it makes me clench my jaw. the WOW BAM part is cool though. maybe if all musicals I hate took out the cheese and left in the WOW BAM Iād like them. i even had to fast-forward the musical number in my favorite lifetime movie series, stalked by my doctor!!!
thereās nothing I tolerate less than music I donāt want to hear though. I can put up with a lot (okay I canāt), but hearing bad music gives me a similar physical feeling to when I take benadryl. my arms and legs want to stretch until the joints break, my jaw clenches, my head pounds, I get really fight or flighty. itās absolutely insane and I hate talking about it, but musicals literally hit my lizard brain and make me wanna be violent. maybe its a type of negative synethesia, but I have an adverse physical reaction to āā āā 'musicals āā āā
those old 1920s big band sets with like, someone tap dancing though? or old cab calloway cartoons?? those are fine!!!
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did you ever see the movie adaptation of chicago? thatās got everything going for it for musical music haters
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i like musicals because i like movies and i like music. Might as well put them together. Nashville is cool, Purple Rain is cool, Phantom of The Paradise is cool, Forbidden Zone is cool, im realizing as i type this i probably am more disposed to musicals that have some sort of diagetic throughline but i cant say for sure. I really was not at all raised on Disney so I maybe have less of an overexposure to this kind of thing.
Mostly I agree that itās a question of whether or not i like or can at least stand the music. Past thatā¦why not songs with vocalsā¦why not people singing themā¦im staring at a screen anyways iāll take whatevers thrown at me
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yeah i think thats my problem, i dont even register forbidden zone or purple rain as a musical cuz the music is good in those
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Purple Rain and Phantom of the Paradise are indeed cool! Theyāre exactly the sort of examples I think of of āmusical that doesnāt make me miserableā
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I havenāt watched Forbidden Zone since I was in high school and Iām wary of revisiting it because I vaguely remember there was blackface in it
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i also havent seen it since highschool (well i was out of highschool but i dropped out, i WOULD have been in highschool)
gonna see how i feel about annette
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how do you feel about Sparks and Leos Carax?
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i havent seen sparks i didnt finish holy motors i think thats as far as my knowledge goes
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Iāve never seen it but when I was looking to screen it at a movie night a couple years ago I read that Elfman was gonna release a version with the blackface digitally removed so I decided to hold off.
Wikipedia says it came out in 2021 and I think thatās what the tubi version is? (I still havenāt seen it and canāt speak to how much it actually āfixesā things)
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what a relief! Iām glad he went through that extra effort!
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No saving modern vampires in post though LOLLLL sorry elfmans
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I think the only musical where i felt like id been elevated into the sublime (which i think is the point of the music right?) was showgirls
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okay i think i figured it out. its not the music, its not the movie i hate, its the place it comes from
when you have these huuuge overproduced sets that theyre gonna tear down ten minutes after filming, strict fuckign choreography between dozens of people so they all move the same, lights, money, glitz. that shit. when it represents how much more resources they have than other films, and how they can just blow those resources thats what pisses me off probably
like bad music is a huge part of it but i think the spirit is what hurts me
id never think of showgirls as a musical either! i dont think ive ever heard someone describe it as one, but sure lets do it. lets make this genre not shitty. was there music playing in the pool scene, cuz there was definitely dance. i noticed the lady who wanted the sex scene in flesh and blood does the same dance
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I actually saw a few musicals at melbourne cinematheque recently. The only one i liked for being a musical was legend of the stardust brothers, which was silly and energetic enough that the songs didnt feel like intrusions on a better movie. It helped that the music was all like shitty-on-purpose 80s jpop.
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I hate musicals for (like many people) entirely personal reasons. I think itās possible for good musicals to exist but I dislike most of them.
When I was a preteen I went to a private school full of rich kids who were obsessed with musicals and all had huge CD binders and walkmans theyād carry around everywhere. Every time we went on a field trip or had a long bus ride, the girls would all break out their walkmans and sing along to musicals. It was absolutely the most painful social torture to not know the musicals they were talking about and to not know the words to the songs and to not be cool enough even to be introduced to this subculture because nobody wanted to share headphones with me. Not knowing the words to musicals felt like complete gender failure. I felt like an idiot every time someone started singing a musical and to this day I involuntarily clench my jaw and start looking for escape routes when exposed to musicals. This is not musicalsā fault! Itās the fault of Frances, the two Allisons, Paige, Samantha, and various other deadly enemies of mine from 20 years ago.
The last time I went to a musical, it was to see If/Then starring Idina Menzel, Mrs. Frozen herself. The musical is about two separate lives her character could have livedā¦ it goes back and forth between these two lives and the set is differentiated by extremely stark and obvious lighting changes. The concept of the play is explained in all marketing materials and the lighting changes and story are pretty damn clear. Nevertheless my entire family except my cousin misunderstood the plot and thought that the two stories were part of the same timeline and that everyone was just behaving erratically. I then had to argue about this musical with my family for an entire week while we were all locked in the same house together. I then decided that I should start hating contemporary musicals as well as the old-school ones that had tormented me throughout my childhood
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