Let's just talk about Star Wars forever (Part 1)

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i will never be able to forget that #theresistance started as a star wars reference

also, in more substantial never stop talking about star wars news, i am almost done with rebels just in time for the new season of the mandalorian. all star wars everything. the content is placating me, i enjoy consuming content from the disney corp.

but anyway, the last season of rebels has been all over the place, but still way less uneven than the posthumous last season of clone wars (imo). i think the best part of it is the way they lean very hard into the ā€˜empire = space nazi’ stuff, leaning so hard that it ends up basically just being indiana jones in space towards the end.

the imperial governor who is literally just cate blanchett’s character from indiana jones and the crystal skull (not a nazi, i know, but… ) and the evil cloaked imperial art historian delving into the emperor’s secret obsession with the occult are just… very good for me to watch and enjoy. i don’t know how much of it is just genuine entertainment and how much of it is a kind of deep seated nerd satisfaction with the way the show has bridged the gap between the two different george lucas products with nazis as bad guys i guess. but i’ll take it.

ironically, this means that it is YET ANOTHER thing that rebels does better than TROS, that for some reason TROS seems to be directly ripping off from rebels and yet failing at it. as i’ve said before, TROS felt like a failed audition to get abrams the job as the director of some kind of indiana jones reboot. all of the pieces are there, but they are put together very poorly.

the whole movie revolves around a mysterious macguffin that is the key to unlocking the location of a chamber of secrets, poe is retconned into being a very jones-like dashing adventurer character rather than a heroic pilot-general, characters are menaced by snakes, the kijimi set looks like a rebooted version of the himalayan village jones first (re)encounters marian in in raiders, and the movie ends with the bad guy’s face getting melted off by righteous energies. it’s all very superficial, but seems sort of genuine in the same way TFA’s aping of ANH did. it’s just… not as good? I mean I still think a pared down version of the movie with a different climax would have worked much better. But rebels really put into focus how much better the indiana jones gimmicks could be in star wars if executed properly. oh well.

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Mad at how much I still love The Mandalorian in the new season. It’s just exactly what I want from a Star Wars show and TV show in general. It’s just a discount Genndy Tarakovsky show that does not look as good as a Genndy Tartakovsky show but it turns out that is several steps above a lot of stuff. John Leguizamo was pretty good as comedian of the week although it was really a voice performance I suppose (unless he was…under there?). It was very funny to see Boba just hanging out at the end there. I was worried that it would be too serialized in the second season but nope it’s still doing decent meat and potateoes episodic stuff just with some recurring characters. Breeziest 50 minutes of live action tv this year

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it seems like if the first episode is any indication they are really leaning in to the fan service. i kind of hope they pull back a little more and let the show be its own thing? i mean, it’s not that overt, but getting the droid the lars family didn’t buy, boba fett’s armor (and boba fett…?), boba fett’s armor shooting a rocket, the alien from jabbas barge (if it really is the same guy, wouldn’t he remember boba fett? maybe it’s not him), krayt dragons, a krayt dragon skeleton in exactly the same pose as it is seen in anh, and (possibly?) one half of anakin’s pod racer all in the same episode was… a lot

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oh, also, how could i forget - on-screen confirmation that the ice cream maker a random background extra is seen running around with in bespin is confirmed to be a portable safe of some kind

your point still stands but this was confirmed in season 1 when herzog had one

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ooh right forgot about that. it seems like a weird meme to be focused on. i want to see someone shaving their legs with a communicator from the prequels.

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also apparently the orb inside the krayt dragon is a thing but i don’t know what it’s from

God that episode ruled. I really, really loved all the sandpeople stuff in particular.

I suppose it was just a straight-up western, for that ep. Natives and settlers hate each other, stranger comes into town on a hoverbike, almost gets in a shootout, inspires town to put aside differences to fight a space dragon. Tale as old as time.

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yeah i think showing another side of the sand people is one of the coolest ways the mandalorian references the original movies and i sort of wish there was more stuff like that and fewer ā€˜hey… remember the 80s???’ throwaway gags. i mean i love those too. but i would prefer things to be actually good instead of just like… amusing?

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tbh a bold stance to take wrt popular media in the year 2020

(i.e., this is a really pithy way to a say a thing I feel all the damn time)

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The next real literary ā€œrebelsā€ in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of ā€œanti-rebels,ā€ born oglers who dare to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse single-entendre values. Who treat old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naive, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point, why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk things. Risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. The new rebels might be the ones willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the ā€œHow banal.ā€ Accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Credulity. Willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows. Today’s most engaged young fiction does seem like some kind of line’s end’s end. I guess that means we all get to draw our own conclusions. Have to. Are you immensely pleased.

Evergreen. Also, congrats, now you’ve absorbed the media criticism part of Infinite Jest and should only read it if you are interested in autism, tennis, or addiction.

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I hate tennis so much that it has ensured I’ll never read infinite jest despite long standing interest in both of those other things

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[quarantining my star warps posts to this thread]

and this is one of the things that i think is (accidentally?) interesting about the overarching plot of star wars, in that it tells a story of a deeply conservative institution (the jedi) that exists within a revolutionary movement. i don’t think the sequels stick the landing at all, but the first six movies at least are about the collapse of an old regime into an even worse one, and then the remnants of the old one sort of reconfigure themselves in relation to a new movement. i think it’s significant that ep 4 begins with the dissolution of the senate altogether, reaches its climax with the death of (one of) the last members of the jedi council, and the destruction of alderaan, and then ends with the first major victory of the rebel alliance.

luke’s jedi training in ep 5 is radically different from what we know to be true about all other jedi before him, so even though he calls himself that and ideologically aligns with this idea that ā€˜balance must be restored to the force’, the movement that he is a part of is not particularly interested in reestablishing the jedi council or going back to the old way of doing things.

i think the better aspects of the sequel trilogy continue this in some ways, but not others. i mean it is definitely what ep 8 is about, but i think it’s kind of ridiculous that in 7 whatever new order was established after 6 is already on its way out, which makes it feel like everyone is just fighting to return to some kind of imagined post-death star 2 normalcy, which didn’t seem to ever exist. it would have been much more interesting to tell a story about the former rebel alliance trying to create something new, but what do i know i guess.

and then i think the interesting thing about ep 9 is how it attempts to do both at the same time - like it’s supposed to be this hugely nostalgic thing for audiences (everyone you liked from before is back!) but, imo, within the context of the movie it still is ostensibly about how dangerous it can be to cling to the past. i think it is possible to read the sequel trilogy as being about the necessity of finding ā€˜balance’ not in a return to old institutions, but in between the ā€˜destroy the past, kill it if you have to’ approach of kylo ren and the literal resurrection of the past through the emperor’s attempted reincarnation.

it comes across as extremely incoherent, but if you’re able to be as generous with the star wars movies as apparently only i am, i think there is a genuine difference in what it means for rey to have ā€˜a thousand generations’ behind her and yet still be in charge of her own decisions and fate, and allowing herself to just become the physical vessel inhabited by the actual consciousness of the past.

i also think there is something kind of brilliant about how ep 9 takes the thing that everyone assumed/predicted would be the ā€˜happy ending’ of the saga, the restoration of balance through the union of the dark and light, and turns it into some kind of dark and twisted omen–the ā€˜force dyad’ that brings kylo and rey together is also something that can be corrupted and manipulated and ultimately has to be destroyed

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why you hate tennis tho

i read infinite jest because i love tennis :frowning:
bad move.

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it combines all of the worst aspects of sports and celebrity culture

It’s become pretty clear to me that while 9 is obviously the worst Star Wars movie in terms of it being a movie to sit and watch 7 is the nadir of the series in terms of pure theory. One giant shibboleth that endorses nothing except endless recursion, rendering every victory and defeat of the protagonists of the OT a meaningless wash against waves of time so fast the very same characters witness the recursion in their own lifetimes! It’s Sisyphean torture with no Camusian absurdity to laugh and embrace. Lifeless.

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They could’ve simply made a remake/alternate-universe interpretation of 4-6. That’s clearly what 7 and 8 want to be (I didn’t watch 9).

They want to bring back the old actors as aged mentors, OK, but it would totally work to simply cast Mark Hamill as Obi-Wan and have the generational handoff thing be on a fourth-wall level, like how the action Star Treks handled it.