The only good anime is Studio Ghibli has definitely been imported back into Japan because any time international reach of anime is brought up they only talk about Ghibli.
How much has Fate penetrated in the west. Kids fucking love playing fate on their phone.
GitS: SAC is just Law and Order: Future
each incarnation of GitS is basically mutually unrelated to the others besides a vaguely shared cast. SAC is the only one I like because soundtrack + greater presence of tachikomas + good genuinely-cyberpunk writing
The movies are just worse versions of the patlabor movies but theyāve got tits so all the redlettermedia types are into it.
The comics are absolute trash, though. Thereās nothing good about them
The comics are wonderful trash. Masamune Shirow writes more stuff in the margins then he does in the word balloons.
I think it almost is and it plays the surveillance state super-cyber cop thing way too straight to always be comfortable, but the first season manages to pull out really interesting procedurals from cyberpunk identity-twisted conceits.
Itās a fine line, though, and even though the second season takes on a more ambitious Japanese war guilt and immigrant integration theme itās just not tight enough to get past that structural trap. The second-season episode about the trial was spot-on Law & Order, with slimy defense lawyers and guilty by shifty looks and I got so mad I almost stopped watching everything there. The series movie and the newer, younger show are just straight up police shows and terrible.
Tulpa, what about the second movie, almost a retread if the first but exchanging boobs for Basset Hounds with sad faces? It doesnāt have anything different to say but I think it gets there faster and quicker and in a more purely cinematic way. Actually, what Iād really like is a cut that took out almost all the dialogue, and shortened the ending action; itās almost all steady gazes across a public square at inanimate uncomprehending faces set to warbling chants
yeah, thatās the movie
Iām probably the only person here who actually likes Mamoru Oshii movies, so I kinda like the GitS films better than SAC, if only by a little.
I also like the manga for being glorious trash. Shirow very clearly writes like he is just trying to get the ideas out of his head as quickly as possible and doesnāt care if anyone is following what he is saying or not. The second volume is so completely incomprehensible that I really wanted to see what Oshii would do for a 3rd movie based on it
Also speaking of Basset Hounds, has anyone seem Oshiiās Garm Wars? The hound in that movie is supposedly a member of some race called āGulaā or something, which are worshipped as deities. Thereās a whole conversation in the middle of the film where they are just discussing what it feels like to be Touched by a Gula
I think Tulpaās position is that Patlabor is a better Oshii.
I donāt think Patlaborās āturns out your childhood dreams of being a mech pilot are a disappointing & loveable workplace sitcom pasticheā, good as it is, supports the sublimity of dissociative identity crush/expansion that the Ghost in the Shell movies can sometimes hit, which I feel is the entire point of them. The first movie is less consistent but it has a dozen or so absolutely stunning iconic images and Oshii always knows how to hold on and present them as such.
shit is that what patlabor is, I gotta watch it now
The basset hound scene is sublime and perfect in an otherwise insufferable film
It would be better with no dialogue, this is true. It would also be better with no cg
Mamoru oshii was brilliant in the 80s and early 90s. Gosenzo sama banbanzai, urusei yatsura 2 beautiful dreamer, patlabor ovas and moviesā¦ The dude was remarkable for his balance of philosophical meanderings and screwball comedy. When he stopped being funny he stopped being interesting
Thatās a reasonable criticism, at that point heās like a virtuoso musician endlessly noodling while the band waits patiently. I have to be in a very specific mood.
Felix, Patlabor makes sense to me as the real third-wave mech show, after kids toy commercial, after realist war drama, now the audience is old enough for comfortable mediocrity. Many of the episodes are structured as pastiches and turn on a whimsical or undersold ending, which can be lovely. Many of the relationships are underplayed nicely. Itās absurdly good-looking and was made on an incomprehensibly quick timetable if my dates are anywhere near correct.
Itās always wholesome!
Wait have you not watched the patlabor films? My point of comparison between gits and patlabor is purely the films; there is a definite continuity in ambition and intent from patlabor 1 and 2 to gits, but I feel like patlabor 1 and 2 do everything I want
Funny thing about Oshii is that his career post the first GitS has mostly felt like he has fallen into the MMORPG pit , and so all he really knows how to do now is make movies about video games.
Like Sky Crawlers is basically Ace Combat from the point of view of the enemy pilots, endlessly replaced by identical clones just waiting to get shot down by the hot shot unbeatable player character.
Assault Girls is literally about a bunch of antisocial gamers who have to learn to work together so they can get that sweet XP
I think the Wizardry episodes of Patlabor were probably his doing as well
I didnāt get that from the first movie when I saw it ages ago, but I havenāt watched the second. After seeing the OVAs a long time ago, I started watching Patlabor: TV a few months back and will probably finish in about, uh, 8 months (Iām very slow at TV) and then Iāll watch movie 2.
I love the tv series but its definitely the furthest in the direction of sitcom (its the most like masaki yukiās other work. He is the comics writer who codeveloped patlabor)
PATLABOR RULES I LOVE MECHA IN CLOTHING
since weāre talking about patlabor, I want to highlight my best tweet. My ingram is still in this pose months later
Incorrectly you poop into the hooded/deep side.
putting the labor and indeed pat in patlabor
i havenāt seen SAC in probably close to 13 years at this point. at that time, i definitely watched a lot of and loved Law and Order, so when i make the comparison, it isnāt entirely meant to be negative. that said, yeah, these days, i donāt watch Law and Order and thereās probably lots about SAC/2nd Gig that i donāt remember well which would probably piss me off more nowadays. i think they function well in their own way, within the GitS universe, though.
part of what i like about GitS is how thereās sort of source material which people can cherry pick from and do their own thing with. none of the versions are entirely consistent with one another, and thatās neat.
not true!
i donāt think everyone has to like everything, but personally, i love the first Oshii movie. itās one of my favorite films and i could rewatch it forever. havenāt seen Patlabor, though!
my memory of the 2nd Oshii movie is that it was somehow a little more boring.
i havenāt watched it in uhhhh over 15 years, though, so itās probably due for a rewatch.
i havenāt read the manga yet. i think iād probably have a good time with it, but yeah, it feels like a non-essential purchase most of the time.
