A DNC discussion thread.
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https://www.demconvention.com/event-categories/july-25/
Michelle Obama is speaking opening night, maybe she can re-borrow from Melania. Feel the Bern. Democracy in action as a 4 day infomercial.
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The news media was saying it was Russia that hacked the DNC and gave the emails to Wikileaks because they want Trump to win. Because I guess they figure Trump is such a moron that theyâll be able to do whatever they want as long as heâs in office? Not so far fetched actually.
NPR is hand wringing over how the leaks âgive credenceâ to the Bernie people who have been saying the system was rigged against them the whole time. Like, no duh NPR? Are you just fooling yourself like you donât actually see why people might actually think the system really is rigged against anyone who doesnât want to preserve a corrupt status quo? Why do I even listen to you again? Maybe I should just go back to enjoying my daily commute in silence instead of giving the bubbling rage inside of me more reason to fester.
I guess everyone else is voting Not-Trump but I donât really care anymore. Iâll probably just stay home this November and watch the world burn (more than it already is).
Itâll be interesting to see how Sanders reacts to his supporters dumping and disowning him after the DNC. Assuming he doesnât pull a Cruz âvote your conscienceâ non-endorsement or manage to convince people that he only stood down for the safety of his family.
The younger ones whoâve never voted before will probably stay home while the older ones who have voted before will hold their noses for Hillary. I think most of his supporters are younger? But there might be enough older ones to tip the scale away from Trump, assuming they all get out to vote.
Oops, I was careless with my words. I didnât mean the many sensible supporters who may feel disenfranchised but will still engage (or disengage) with the voting process in a reasonable way.
Iâm talking about the viciously bitter âHillary must step down nowâ activists, the people who were chanting âNo TPP!â while a black Representative talks about his deceased father and Black Lives Matter.
I doubt thereâs more than ten thousand such people across the US, certainly not enough to be a significant factor in the election, but itâs anyoneâs guess where theyâll end up when it sinks in that Sanders wonât be the nominee no matter what. Short and long term, theyâre going to raise a stink - and if they donât feel they are being heard on good causes, theyâll most likely start to gravitate towards bad ones.
Vote for the sake of the ppl who wonât be safe from the burning world even at homeâŚ
Which candidate it less likely to instigate a nuclear war?
I mean, I live like a mile away from a major airport and probably fifteen or so from a large military base. Assuming the bombs make it this far inland Iâm toast so I need to know which candidate is least likely to get me killed from a nuclear bomb.
Right now Iâm figuring the likelihood is Trump = Actual Nuclear War with Another Major Power whereas Hillary = Small Scale but Still Devastating Terrorist Actions with Stolen Nukes from Turkey or Pakistan or Wherever.
Iâm having real trouble understanding what proactive action a US President could take that would directly cause these, even one operating in the odious framework of the US foreign policy establishment.
I think Small Scale Terrorist Actions with Nukes are likely inevitable at this point. Just a matter of when. As for what a president could do, itâs rather more what a president could not do like if Trump got in and made good on his more isolationist rhetoric and kept the U.S. and NATO out of European affairs it might embolden Russia to take over more territory in the Baltic States. At least that was the thesis from a thing aderack posted in the axe.
I guess Iâm confused then? I guess your argument for not voting is ânihilism anywayâ as opposed to how I interpreted it, âTrump = cause nuclear war, Clinton = inadvertently cause nuclear disasterâ.
Still nihilism is bad for democracy! in that your individual vote probably doesnât matter but your views and how they spread through your peer group definitely do matter; organization is the only tool we have and seriously dude use it
Ok Iâll vote then! Letâs organize!
Letâs organize something worth voting for!
i guess with any candidate nuclear catastrophe is a vague possibility
but, you know, one is running on a platform that is explicitly committed to stripping rights from LGBTQ ppl, crippling education, outlawing abortion
not to mention all the lunacy trump has mouthed off about wrt immigration
i get that clinton is horrible, but trump is a literal monster?
How much would Trump be able to actually accomplish though?
W. and Reagan and Bush 1 couldnât get any of those things to happen why do you think suddenly Donald Trump of all people is going to be that much more effective?
Trump appoints 3 conservative Supreme Court justices, gg nextmap in thirty years. And thatâs before we get to the kind of numbnuts idiocy heâd manage with a Republican majority in Congress, which would be pretty much inevitable if he gets elected.
But I thought Republicans hated him? The Republican party wasnât up until last week contorting itself every which way to try and keep him from being the nominee?
I mean, the party heads hate him, but they certainly wonât hate him for long if he gets elected. The split between the âtea partyâ and the âestablishmentâ GOP doesnât get them to stop agreeing on plenty of dumb shit like trying to repeal the ACA every week. He doesnât has any incentive to start vetoing stuff theyâd put on his desk, either.
I love how this is the election where both partiesâ nominees are obviously evil, shitty people
the mask is off, hopefully thereâs still a country another four years from now
I wonât argue shittiness but Iâm not sure how Hillary is any more evil than our 2012 choices
The same reason you think heâll start a nuclear war, I guess