what’s the best sim for getting really good at driving manual? i can’t do it but want to learn. saw a fiesta st on the street and got the itch
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none of them
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Driving manual is such a tactile experience that I can’t think of a sim that would teach it. Getting someone who owns one to let you drive theirs for a bit is probably the easiest/cheapest way.
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sadly with most of them if you shift wrong it lets you fudge it or just pops you out of gear mysteriously.
I think the issue with sim practice is that the number of motors and sensors you’d need to simulate it is kind of stupid.
IE what booj said
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A Lexus is getting the G16E-GTS from the GR Yaris/Corolla
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I’ll believe it when i see the pricetag, we’re surely talking RC-money here, and those … never really became cheaper 
(God would i love one of those in a nice colour, with a sunroof and climate-seats…)
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is there a dedicated motorsport thread? I have a lot of WRC thoughts but not sure if it fits the vibe of this thread. then again this is where the car people hang out.
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this is just the car porch at this point so Id just post it up.
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Absolutely have a go, yes!
If it has wheels, it belongs here itt 
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cool cool
started following WRC Latvia rally live, and also catching up on the Monte Carlo. it’s good but could use improvements
first the good… it’s rally, rally rules. im enjoying seeing some of the younger drivers Fourmaux and Sesks who are up and coming and have more endearing personalities than some of the vets. Good to see Sesks win stages in only his second ever top-level rally, on home soil in Latvia - cool storyline
needs improvement… the tv broadcast experience is just not as good as it could be. the whole point of rally is time trials, right? but there’s little stage information given. you sometimes get a birds eye map of the stage at the very beginning, but it doesnt show up again. split times are shown, but in a very small box in the bottom right and just numbers, disconnected from stage info. its hard to get a sense of who is going faster through which turns. commentators also dont talk about the actual driving so much, focusing more on road surface, tire selection, hybrid usage, driver interviews etc. on some stages there’s a lot of reliance on onboard camera and not enough outside the car views where you can see how it actually navigates the turns.
the cars… honestly it sucks that there are only three in Rally1 (Toyota GR Yaris, Hyundai i20 N, M-Sport Ford Puma). and even that is misleading because theyre all tube chassis that only bear aesthetic resemblance to the road car. tube chassis, spec hybrid, similar body styling, restrictor plates, aero limitations… the sameness is very palpable. anyways WRC is ditching hybrid for 2025
nothing against hybrid ofc but the cost, and the fact the hybrid itself a spec system, is a real damper on rally imo… i want really fast cars but i want a variety of engineering choices and drivers dealing with them. maybe they should have a Rally H purely for Hybrid / Electric vehicles (allow for diversity of systems here) and keep it separate from Rally1 until such time as the market really shifts that way and it becomes the top class. like Formula E but for Rally, i guess?
But yeah, you can watch lower level rally like WRC 2 (second tier drivers) or ERC (worse TV broadcasts)… yeah idk lots of potential improvements. sport needs diversity
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These heart wheels
Racing Heroes wheel discs!
Ughhh I wish designs like these would make a comeback!
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fwiw, ze French are currently going a bit bonkers with wheel designs,
and style-savy Kia is swift to follow
… if I like these designs, you ask?
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I do like some of the Korean OEM wheels these days. I just wish we weren’t in the donk from the factory era.
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true, was swooning over some OEM rims today, adorning various old 80ies and 90ies boxes:
and sat in a C5 Z06 for thr first time in my life — quite a cosy place, and w/ a manual Hurst shift-knob… statement of intent, i would say!
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absolute heartbreak for the hometown hero and rising star Martins Sesks in Rally Latvia. In contention for a podium at his second ever Rally1 event, and then on the final stage… 
something wrong with those m-sport fords that they keep breaking down?? at least they look cool.
it’s crazy to think that despite being a rookie he’s 1 year older that rovanpera who’s a reigning world champion at 23… then again that dude is an extreme outlier, he’s been a pro rally driver since he was 12 
WRC needs to get better at marketing its storylines, they are legit compelling!
also, i had bad info re: WRC regulations, it turns out they are keeping hybrid through at least 2027, after the drivers and manufacturers protested. that’s okay i guess even tho i think the new regulations will be really good.
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anyways i got my new PC set up so i guess i should buy EA WRC already… any good affordable peripherals? force feedback wheel, pedals, shifter…?
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oooof that’s tricky:
the issue really is what feels
affordable
to you, your wallet and your significant other.
If sub 1k sounds like a steal to you, you’re fine, if you want to adjust the pedal travel of your brake/accelerator/clutch independently, it’s somewhat, uh, more expensive (and then we haven’t talked about a wheelbase … yet).
Alas, we’re at option 3:
What’s your setup/SO sayin’?
Do you have a room for your rig that’s not used by them? If yes, i would start with the wheelbase and go from there (separate screen? expensive chair? cheapest rig is good enough? Office Chair has to suffice?), and rather go for a good’ish wheel and seat, instead of premium wheel, crap seat and always having to mount/unmount the wheel to your office desk (because you will do that a few times and then stop using it, probably).
Fanatec has some nice wheels, but pricey and rumors are abound that they are close to go belly up soon.
Logitech had good entry options (e.g. 920) but went $$$ a few years ago.
Not sure what else is up for sensible $$$ at the moment?
looking for very entry level without being truly cheapo, maybe the sim racing equivalent of a vkb gladiator. force feedback wheel, 3 pedals, hopefully build quality that feels somewhat nice. don’t need chair, cockpit etc, i’m gonna play off big screen tv in the living room – at least, so is the plan. sub 500 is the ideal i think…
this is sort of window shopping i guess, spent too much money this month.
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The Logitech G29 served me very well for years before I upgraded. I can easily recommend that wheel, but I don’t have experience with the Thrustmaster stuff.
The G920 was the only Logitech wheel I ever had issues with. It would lose center during hard sessions. So I can’t recommend it.
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seconded, logi felt at least good enough for beginning phase.
Only niggle i had and have — the force needed to press the brake pedal to max is ridiculous, leading to me switching the clutch and brake all.the.time — so much so that I’d call it a systematic product issue, at least three different wheels bought across a few years had the same issue, but ymmv regarding pedal travel, some like it spongey, some like it hard…
put me in the spongebob camp, firmly
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