i forgot about all of daphny’s relatives inexplicably being cockney
this includes the klingon bar mitzvah episode btw
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Frasier is one of those shows i watched religiously growing up, but i now couldn’t tell you about a single episode with a gun to my head
maybe Seinfeld stuck in my mind more because it was the kind of show my friends would commiserate on all the time at school, the day after a new episode premiered. whereas Frasier, mostly it was just in college and right after, referencing the “tossed salad and scrambled eggs” song as a way to flirt with women in publishing
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2 out of 3 great cast utterly squandered
To me thinking about Frasier as a legitimate work that has substance and content that can be appreciated and analyzed is completely alien, it was background noise. Then again I’ve never sat through a whole Seinfeld episode either so maybe the 3 camera sitcom just slides off my brain
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I’ve never been able to look at Frasier too long because it so ugly looking. The late 80s fake Seattle teak wood library furniture wealth and global village coffee house vibes are vomit inducing for me. Much to my partner’s chagrin. She was able to convert me into a lover of Seinfeld, but not a lover of Frasier.
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it might be because it was one of the first post-9pm shows i regularly watched as a kid, but frasier looks and feels so comfortable and cosy to me
for exactly the same reasons you hate it lol. the very slightly dim lighting compared to the starkness of a lot of tv, the polished wood, the general air of sophisticated coastal elititude
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It’s kind of interesting how Seinfeld and Frasier have become the defacto 90s sitcoms people still care about, I guess maybe with the addition of Friends ? But even that seems to have lost its lustre a bit. Are the youths of today watching Friends?
Also, it’s crazy to me that Frasier ended in 2004 and the US Office started in 2005. Those feel like two completely different eras of sitcom history. It would be interesting to review the sitcoms that premiered in 2004, kind of a weird no man’s land where the sitcom needed a savior from reality TV and prestige dramas
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it’s always sunny also premiered in 2005
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“Seinfeld or Friends” used to be the question people would ask 15 years ago and it’s like OK if you’d said Seinfeld or Frasier I’d at least have to think about it for more than half a second
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That’s also wild! Honestly the weirdest thing about that show is despite its massive appeal and cultural impact it has not really had many imitators, at least not as far as I can tell. Whereas every sitcom now is basically the office again
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the long shadow of michael schur
sitcom writers used to be from nyc and now they are from connecticut
Used to be Seinfeld or Friends, nowadays it’s all about how about Seinfeld AND I have no friends???
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I’ll take Schurr over Chuck Lorre any day but honestly it’s a failure of our culture that so much of the fate of contemporary tv comedy has been put in the hands of just those 2 people
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The family guy revival also started up end of 2004 after the first run in 1999-2001.
i think a lot of this period was patched over by shows that kept rolling through but started earlier like king of the hill (1997)/ malcolm in the middle(2000) / bernie mac show (2001), scrubs (2001) etc. i think scrubs in particular definitely closest to the single cam soap opera / overly sentimental workplace dark comedy vibe of office. Seinfeld i remember airing in syndication for as long as it has existed so it might as well have been contemporary with all the rest.
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in the uk, seinfeld has no cultural footprint at all. it aired in the dead of night and i don’t think it ever got repeated. i never saw it until it was on amazon prime a few years ago.
similarly, everybody loves raymond has only ever been used here as early morning schedule filler.
friends and frasier are definitely the 90s us sticoms of note in the uk. friends especially fills the seinfeld niche, in that if you still watch broadcast tv, you can watch several hours of friends across multiple channels, any day of the week.
i watched every episode of friends as it was coming out, but since it ended, i haven’t rewatched a single one. i occasionally think about re-watching the first season, just for the 90s new york aesthetic though. i’ve rewatched frasier at least two or three times though
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see, topical seinfeld? aged like milk. but when you do topical episodes like
- the guys getting cold feet about abortion bans
- mac chasing a trans woman
- an unsubtle metaphor about israeli occupation of gaza
evergreen apparently
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This makes Noel Gallagher apparently being a big Seinfeld fan even more charming
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Why were her relatives cockney? I don’t remember a lot about the show but I thought she was supposed to be a Manc?
the only people in bri’un that care about seinfeld spend too much time on twitter really
i see it entirely through the lens of people’s impressions and riffs on it