TV AfterParty

Yeah bitch!

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Honestly kinda stunned at the last two episodes of The Penguin. Oz might be the most vile, despicable and utterly broken characters I’ve seen in a show, much less a comic book spin-off thing.

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Really hated that whenthe crew decided to really lean into emphasizing how Walt’s always been the bad guy they decided to counterpoint with Hank’s always really been the good guy despite Hank’s only personality trait for three seasons was being hella racist.

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Finally getting around to watching Everybody’s in LA and one episode in I gotta say this might be one of the best things Netflix has ever allowed to happen

I am so homesick though

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introduced to For All Mankind in the worst way possible: a compilation of gruesome deaths from the show.

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It’s kind of the best part of about it at this point, unfortunately?

S1 was great, S2 was very good, but as you entered the last half of S2 you started to see how toothless the show is. It does a fair amount of revisionist history in its alternate history. Seeing just anyone held accountable for the shit that happens would be great.

I think I still like the show quite a bit by nature of being about the space program, I’m just increasingly annoyed by the soap opera shit and how limp the political elements are.

Cool, horrifying deaths though!

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Yeah I kinda quit the show around the middle of season 2 when it seemed clear they weren’t interested in doing an actual alt history but just a period soap but with space stations

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same

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day of the jackal seems great so far, the cop is the bad guy.

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FROM finished out the season with a surprising number of answers, answers that point to an actually pretty cool story. I have my guard all the way up with series, but I love a story about curses and horrible past sins and trying to piece together how a magic system works, so, I like that part of it. And the monsters rock.

Looking back on the season, this was truly 2 episodes of good content stretched across 10, and god is that not a great ROI.

I will stick with it because I’m insane but this should have been 2 seasons and done. But it is tragically too successful, and thus, Lost again.

unaired chris fleming pilot was released

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I think whatever mixed goodwill I had towards the Willow TV Series was undone by the ending credit song being ā€œMoney For Nothingā€ because Willow and Dire Straits are both from the 80s.

It’s a Gumbo served at a bar at a California Airport of a TV Show.

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even though a lot of cancelled TV shows end on cliffhangers of sorts, that one had more of the vibes of ā€œfailed attempt to create a cinematic universeā€ what with all the dangling threads and the very dramatic shot of a mysterious hand putting a ā€œWillow the TV Show Volume ONE!!!ā€ book back on a shelf with two others next to it

hasn’t it basically been obliterated from existence by Disney by now?

casualties of the streaming wars…

it was better than the Time Bandits show, a big upset for 80’s film fans tbh

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and then netflix turned down my pitch for deathstalker: the prestige drama :pensive:

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Gonna do some more Cheersposting

I made it through the end of season 5. Despite the absolute alien that Diane becomes for most of the season, and some basically nonsense plotting, the show did, imo, land a pretty impactful departure for her character and the end of her and Sam’s relationship. ā€œHave a nice lifeā€ā€”not as sublime as Sam’s ā€œWowā€ at the end of season 2, but powerful. The fantasy future where Sam and Diane are old and married is a bit of a hokey device, but I’ll be damned if the image of the aged couple dancing even as the relationship dissolves in the present, foreclosing that future, is powerful and made me tear up. Idk, makes me want to hold my wife. Good stuff.

And then season 6 started, and it begins to feel like Diane was the only thing standing in the way of the show going full-hog misogynist. Sam’s sexual aggressiveness was always a little gross but it felt like it was in dialogue with Diane’s feminism. Kirstie Alley is plenty funny as a sitcom actress as Rebecca, but her character is weak shit compared to Diane, and can’t hold her own against Sam, so his constant sexual harassment just feels like… sexual harassment.

I don’t know, man, Rebecca just feels like a sexist fantasy of what women entering the corporate world in the 80s are like. Sucks shit. Feels bad.

I couldn’t make it through season 6, and I’m honestly not sure I made it much farther my first time through the show, looking back on it. I skipped to the end of season 11 to watch the three-part finale, and it’s really not all that good, sadly. Part of that is surely that a good half of the show is spent on wrapping up storylines that I didn’t watch and, on the outside, look like the kind of world-expanding idiocy that shows do when they forget how to work with their central premise (e.g., Woody winning a city council election). Bringing Sam and Diane back together briefly kind of works, but even without watching the intervening 5 years, I could tell it wasn’t their show anymore.

I’ve heard there is in fact pretty good stuff once the show hits a stride with Rebecca (side note: I can’t watch these without thinking about how TaleSpin borrowed the premise of Season 6 Cheers and even named its Rebecca character Becky; Baloo is much more likeable than latter-seasons Sam, though), and I’m tempted to sample some of the stuff in seasons 9 through 11. I don’t think I’ve ever watched the years where Bebe Neuwirth made it into the opening credits, and I should maybe give those a spin… some day.

The first two seasons of Cheers are masterpieces of the sitcom form, though, and we’ll always have that.

Anyway, so I switched to Frasier and am now in the middle of season 2. You know how people kinda identify the 80s as lasting a few years into the 90s? That feels visible in the shift from Cheers to Frasier. There are hotel scenes in the Cheers finale that look like they were shot 15 years before hotel scenes in Frasier, which aired all of 9 months later in 1993/1994. Wild stuff.

Frasier at its best isn’t Cheers at its best, but the father-son drama is good. It really floats on a great cast.

David Hyde Pierce is very, very funny as Niles. The way he meets and builds on Grammer’s Frasier is pretty impressive. I have to say that some of the ways his infatuation with daphny manifests feels… grosser than I remember it from when I last watched the show, like, 18 years ago. Some funny gags involved, but Niles comes off a bit more of a creep when he’s smelling her hair without her knowledge, etc. Changing social mores? Ok.

The show’s attitude toward women feels… not great sometimes, which is definitely not helped by the fact that the three most important characters are men, with daphny and Roz, at least at first, primarily functioning as foils for the male characters in the home and office, respectively. Roz is a great character, and her comfort with her sexuality and disinterest in a long-term relationship is nicely bold on the one hand, but the show too often feels like it’s on the side of Frasier when he slut-shames her. That they evolve into more genuine friends as time goes on eases this, but it’s still there. And there’s a core of women-be-like-this that gets riotous laughter from the audience that makes me realize I live in a whole other world now than these people.

Anyway, Frasier’s farce and sitcom hijinks are funny, and I know they refine their instrument even more as we approach the middle seasons. The cast is game and kills their material. I’ve interspersed a few episodes of the new season of the Frasier revival along with my rewatch of old Frasier, which really points to how low-energy and blandly shot/blocked the new show is. Grammer carries it, because he genuinely is very good at this, with some of the supporting cast occasionally shining; most of them are funny to one degree or another, but I’m just not convinced anyone in Hollywood knows how to write, shoot, or perform a traditional sitcom anymore. I do wonder how much Grammer’s politics influence some of the Cheers/Frasier cast’s willingness to participate in the new version.

Anyway, there’s some Cheersposting.

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these are the only good post-Diane seasons

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anyway I think loving Frasier is kind of more anachronistic than loving Seinfeld because zoomers still seem to get into Seinfeld on a regular basis but Frasier literally did a whole gay panic arc at least once a season and basically the entire show is about emasculating arch-conservative Kelsey Grammar featuring the comedy stylings of David Hyde Pierce and John Mahoney and I think it’s basically the greatest thing to ever exist possibly because my father also worked in media and was constantly emasculated and to the extent that I know that’s a generational thing I absolutely don’t care, I will never be able to love anyone who does not like Frasier

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seinfeld’s gay panic episodes aged like milk because everyone who worked on seinfeld was criminally heterosexual but frasier’s gay panic episodes are like 50% just fine, accentuated by how gay half the cast of the show was

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Oh yeah wasn’t the sports guy gay too

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the only bad Frasier episodes are: every single episode in between Niles and daphny (wordfilter lol) finally getting together, except for the ones with Lilith, up until the very last season which is mostly good again

there are several reasons for this: David Hyde Pierce being in a happy relationship doesn’t really work, extremely bad and broad British stereotypes, and one of the 3 original showrunners died on 9/11

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