Tom's Hardware of Finland

I should probably get one of these 4tb sata ssd’s for games so people stop calling my computer a potato in rainbow six and three kingdoms total war is playable without taking up os drive space

Even on an HDD, your load times shouldn’t be so bad that people regularly bitch at you. Might be a sign of other more subtle problems? Heavy fragmentation, bad sectors, background tasks disk thrashing, etc.

no they definitely are if you’re playing Siege with ultra textures off a spinning drive, speaking from experience

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the drives are also on an external thing even though they support some usb 3.x thing I don’t have the ports for anyway

look at this guy

playing esports on high settings

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textures don’t affect per-

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lower detail textures=less visual noise

also you gotta turn down the resolution to get those frames

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THIS is the issue, more than the medium. USB is the bottleneck far more than the disk. Having said that, if you need to buy more internal storage to remedy the issue, yea, there’s little point in going for an HDD over the SSD if you can afford it. I think HDDs still have use, if you’re going to literally buy a 4TB drive and then use it as media and file storage, but for running OS/games off of, not so much unless you’re on a tight budget.

I appreciate that you want to help but a USB3 spinning disk will still bottleneck siege if it’s less than 200M/s and most people buying a new disk who have the option of getting something that fast won’t be avoiding any and all other random reads while playing a game

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying that the ports were the issue. I might not have made that clear enough, to be fair. My point was very much that running on an external, period, is the issue. I did very much clearly say that he should buy an SSD in this case, regardless.

well I tried playing a co-op game of total war once and it definitely did not have loading times that I would call “playable” until we both moved the game to our os ssd drives, even if we were using a internal hdd before

Ymmv depending on game I guess. I was just commenting specifically on R6, which I had running on HDD myself for a bit, and it loaded in fast enough to play. Other games will demand more.

USB2 maxes around 50M/s

USB3 maxes basically where sata speeds do

This admittedly starts to leave my area of experience in regards to computers, but from what I have read, many mobos run USB 3.0 connections at far below the max rated bandwidth, which sucks.

In any case, as I said, I’m talking from experience. R6 loaded fine for me on an HDD. I definitely have games that I would never dare to run off HDD though, so I was only talking about that specific case, not in general.

siege loads fine on a HDD but other people will notice you loading slow and you’d notice too if you were on an SSD. just make 1tb SSDs cheap already so I can fucking actually install more 2 games on one. everybody knows the real baller way to play games is by booting them onto your PS2 using USB 1.0 so all the FMV cutscenes refuse to play and the games run like shit anyway

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honestly just do a 500 GB SSD and a 1 or 2 TB HDD and either shift stuff as you want/need or put the games you care about on the SSD and single player stuff on the HDD

buying a cheap SSD is like buying a cheap PSU: it’s a gamble, you might win big or the component might implode spectacularly. you should just put the extra cash into buying a decent drive with not a bad controller and enough cache to keep things speedy

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I open too many browser tabs at all times, and working at home has really exaggerated that problem, so I’ve been hitting the limits of my 16GB of RAM in my desktop. I had two empty RAM slots in there so I decided to upgrade it, something I’ve never done before. The manufacturer who made the RAM I’ve been using has gone out of business, so I ordered one more pair of 8GB with the exact same specs from a different company.

I opened up my computer for the first time since I built it 3 years ago. Blew out all the dust with some canned air and then realized: God damnit, my GPU was just blocking me from opening the locking tabs on the RAM slots on my motherboard. So I had to remove that, but it was locked in by a tab on my shitty Gigabyte motherboard that was COMPLETELY obscured by the GPU itself. My gf and I spent about an hour trying to figure out how to get in there and push the tab enough to unlock the GPU without totally scratching up the motherboard. We finally managed to get in there with a weird little metal bar tool I had lying around, and popped it off.

So then we inserted the RAM and put the GPU back on. When I powered up the machine, no video reached my monitor, and the computer just struggled for 30 seconds and turned itself off again. We were both TERRIFIED that we’d fucked it all up. Turned out I’d forgotten to plug a cable back in, but that didn’t fix it. We tried several other things, but I think in the end the GPU just wasn’t fully seated. After pushing it all the way in, everything worked properly and we both breathed a huge sigh of relief. The RAM is now all working and I’m excited to see how much help it’ll be with work and with video editing.

Computer hardware stuff is so stressful, how do you people cope!?

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do it eight million times and it’s not stressful anymore

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After as long as I’ve been doing stuff with computers, I’ve just resigned myself to the fact that any time I do some major upgrade or build a system, it won’t work the first time around and I’ll have to troubleshoot it to figure out what stupid shit I did, or forgot to do, without noticing.

If I manage to get through a major procedure and have everything work perfectly on the first try, I consider it a gift from the universe.

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yesterday I was messing around with my 2200G and decided that I should overclock the iGPU because what the hell else am I doing but I was being lazy and overclocked it through Ryzen Master and not the bios and when I went to reset the overclock and restart, the poor computer would just instantly shut off on powering up

so first it was unplug the dedicated GPU

then unplug the hard drives

the take out the RAM and find out the system would boot with no sticks in

then it was checking both sticks by slotting them in individually and seeing that one slot would let boot happen but the other wouldn’t, a thing that immediately stopped working upon me looking at it funny

then it was take motherboard out of case, unplug PSU cables, reset CMOS, disconnect CMOS battery, remove cooler, reseat CPU, put on fresh thermal gunk because hey I’m here already, work backwards slowly

system randomly started booting again with RAM inserted

redo all the settings back to how I had them because my OC profiles I have saved decided to not apply

two hours later: boot!

endpoint: the 2200G can run Trials of Mana at 30 fps at 1080p with a mild iGPU overclock from the bios

it was the most entertained I’ve been since the world started ending

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