This thread is for people who aren't suckers who buy cars.

Washington is a special traffic hell of the worst drivers and the worst traffic outside of DC

I carpooled with some people to my temp job last year and the worst commute was literally 6 hours to go 35 miles because a section of highway was shut down.

It averages to about 1 to 1.5 hours to go 35 miles normally.

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I’ll forever fucking hate having to drive my car to work
(until I get a karaoke heads up display in it)

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You mean the uber parking lane? How could that possibly be a problem, they have their park-anywhere lights on and everything

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Why are there so many furniture stores in lynnwood

if we agitate instead for the abolition of work no one will have to do any of these shitty commutes

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I passed through the DC outer ring or whatever it’s called on my way to Bumpass last year and was sort of freaked out by all of the surveillance equipment on like, every god damn inch of the road

besides my mishaps in the going on thread i had a nice bus ride today, i stared at a beautiful mountain for like ten minutes, grateful i didnt have to focus on not getting killed by assholes on the road

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I grew up a five minute walk from a major bus line in a major suburb of Portland, so I was used to good public transportation and never even drove until I moved out here to nominal Oregon Wine Country my early twenties because Circumstances.

I miss having the bus/train option. I got a lot of reading done, and it made me pace things out in a particular way. I don’t miss falling asleep to Spiritualized albums and missing my stop.

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I will cease my general war on trains and accept this world (of trains) if any and all tourist trains are abolished and scrapped.

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looooool

Dude, what are these “most cities”. I live in one of the biggest travel/tourism hubs in the world and probably one of the most traveller friendly cities in the world.

But the subway and skytrain primarily cater to daily commuters. This will always be the top customers. Domestic tourists are probably second, and international third. Yeah, the skytrain links up directly to giant malls built by the second cousin twice removed of the king, but I don’t really know the chicken and egg on that. I think they basically just decided to go North South, because figuring out a train route and buying the land is logistically hard enough as it is. However, real estate then completely bends around the train. Property near the train is instantly worth more and gentrification is almost immediate–or it woulf be if property near announced train routes weren’t already speculative.

Right BKK has a completely separate subway that few people seem to know about, which takes you almost directly to the airport. In the next year it will connect the small airport to the big airport. While this is good for travelers (can easily link domestic and international travel), I have to think it’s highly beneficial (perhaps more beneficial) to locals, who now will have clearer highways and a cheap way to get to either airport.

Of course, in our highly imperfect capitalist societies, trains are going to be implemented in a way that aids the rich. Y’know: like how roads, electricity, and water are implemented in ways that aid the rich.

But it’s a bizarre stance to, like, disregard trains specifically for that reason.

I mean–Jesus–if trains were designed for tourists, they’d be designed completely differently. Trains are for office workers, and the they optimize for tourists as best they can.

That shit stuck with me and I didn’t want you to show up and say “dc traffic is worse” while I complain about washington traffic

When I stayed with a family in Bangkok I had to ride a motorcycle taxi, a bus, the skytrain, and a car taxi to get out of her neighborhood to the place downtown where we were going

Circa Y2K I wanted badly to be romanced by public transport but south central FL didn’t have any real affections.

So since the mid aughts I’m so used to Orlando area highway bullshit and I4 tourist swims that, while I have no love interest for vehicles, there is nothing near time efficient public transport for me to utilize and passionately support in area.

I would end up being a mid range weirdo on the bus even at regular quiet modes, too.

anyway, light rail systems may be made with commuters in certain neighborhoods in mind, but retrofitting cities built around other forms of transportation with a limited light rail system will never cater to the entire population effectively

unless they do it extremely ambitiously, as with what’s happening in beijing and taipei and i guess maybe bangkok? idk i haven’t been there for a long time

maybe i should have just said ‘north american cities’

anyway motorcycle taxis: what a rush

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Sounds about right!

DC traffic is pretty bad (not the worst in the US though), but DC drivers aren’t even close to the worst, they’re gentle puppy dogs

Also don’t you live in NJ they’re even worse

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Unfortunately, cars are necessary to get our bikes to the trail.

Cars are also necessary to get cars to the trail.

Cars are necessary to get our feet to the trail.

this

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