This is why Star Wars is not for me anymore
Nerds.
I am super late to the party. Waiting for illegal HD streams has its downsides. At least I didnât catch the Han Solo spoiler.
I had the complete opposite reaction and thought the movie was pretty fresh until the bored and botoxed old people showed up. Maybe I just like Nausicaä too much.
And did they seriously put the silver stormtrooper in the trash compactor? I mean, I can understand shooting someone whoâs shooting at you, but submitting a hostage to a slow, torturous execution without even batting an eye? Sounds a bit sadis⌠I mean, true heroes! What is moral integrity compared to a cheap laugh for nostalgiaâs sake?
Yeah, Iâm in the same boat. Really liked the first half, then after the battle on the planet with the Ties it gets kinda bleh until that sweet-ass lightsaber fight at the end.
If theyâd kept Finn and Ray at the core of everything, the movie wouldâve been better for it.
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TFA was too concerned with being the starting point of a trilogy instead of being a story in its own right; ANH works because if it had failed, it would have been self-contained and only after it succeeded did the groundwork it established get build upon. This is too franchise-etic to have those hopes and a lot of it plays like an extended first act because it basically is, nevermind its trading in familiar elements, but bigger (fuck blowing up a single planet with a star, weâll blow up a bunch of fucking planets with a sun, and how the hell do you build around a goddamn sun and not raise greater alarm from your enemy, whose response is fund some ad hoc resistance goddamnit you got me thinking about the movie again this is your fault).
Also, you donât put a special trooper in chrome armor and then waste them buy throwing them in the trash
it was a joke about her costume and a callback to when han and luke and leia got thrown in the trash compactor of the death star in anh
yeah I think @bug got the joke but saw it as a joke in poor taste.
Thereâs a difference between A New Hopeâs characters jumping down a chute and ending up in a trash compactor as a very âout of the frying panâ moment in an action adventure serial kinda way and a character in The Force Awakens casually murdering a hostage for fun. (Though it was off-screened and thus probably didnât happen given that silver stormtrooper is supposed to be such an important character or something)
Oh word well that was kind of a weird momen i guess. I guessed Han just thought of it as revenge or sth. I mean she did brainwash child soldiers into murdering civilians but it is still a weirdly casual throw away moment
Independent contractors on the death star something
Finn is the one who suggests throwing Phasma in the trash (he was a janitor on the sun laser)
they confirmed Phasma is in episode 8 so she probably isnât dead.
i also hated the fact that she was thrown in the trash compactor off screen.
I have been looking for articles to try to figure out if it really was Finn or Han who suggested the trash compactor, and itâs almost hilarious how vague all of the dozens of articles on the subject actually are. But afaik it was actually Han who suggested the trash compactor.
Having a really hard time imagining how this one gag had any more significance than stuffing a jock into a locker.
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I hope it was just a joke and they didnât attempt human compaction. But itâs unclear to me. Actually looking forward to episode 8 now.
I wouldnât underestimate the impact of popular culture on society. Millions of impressionable children are watching their heroes agree to brutally murder a hostage as if it is was nothing. Laughing it off. As if it had no significance.
Yes, it was Han. Finn smiles and agrees. Phasma is startled. Chewy remains silent.
Itâs odd that this is harder to get over than the literal patricide shown on screen
people who are the heads of armies that mass murder civilians and are so frustrated by their inability to mass murder fast enough that they turned a planet into a gun are exactly who we should be teaching our kids to allow to be slowly crushed to death
anyway if their parents grew up watching star wars just to end up still supporting homicidal law enforcement and indiscriminate murder by drone of people in faraway desert lands Iâm sure the kids watching it now will be fine
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Itâs odd that this is harder to get over than the literal patricide shown on screen
[/quote]I donât find it odd. Kylo Ren seems conflicted and is visibly shaken afterwards, he canât even react to Chewy shooting at him and just takes the hit. Han and Finn, if anything, seem to enjoy themselves.
Nice choice of words. But it could as well be:
Theyâre not just allowing it, theyâre doing it. Theyâre pushing the switch.
I wanted to make a point that the people on those planets died quickly, that they probably didnât even realize what was happening. But weighing the quick deaths of billions against the torturous death of one who helped causing them, is impossible for me to argue for.
But, even if partaking in genocide makes you unworthy of empathy, if inhumanity strips you of all your human rights, I still donât believe that an inhuman death at the hands of those you wronged is just and proper. And maybe if just because of how it corrupts those who seek justice. That is my moral principle. It is probably a sign of my weakness. Maybe youâre right. Maybe it is a good lesson to teach our children. That when you fight monsters, itâs okay to become a monster yourself. Maybe itâs even necessary.
tl;dr: itâs the way to the dark side, is what Iâm saying
I think imaginations are running a little wild here. itâs not they put her in the back of a garbage truck and held a gun on her while they switched on the compactor and laughed and high fived each other as she slowly crushed to death in front of them. all han did was ask if they got a garbage chute around somewhere to stash her, and flynn said yeah cause he was the janitor. he was smiling because he is being allowed the opportunity to utilize the skills and knowledge of his waste management job on the giant gun death planet he was forced to maintain against the very person who robbed him of his entire life and identity. I mean sheâs not even actually dead. maybe the kids will actually be disappointed when she shows up in star wars 8 or 9 to murder some more and be like âwhat the hell flynn you went with a half measure.â also Iâm not saying we should feel great about murder as long as weâre murdering the right people. you should always feel bad about it, even when itâs the right people.
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