Star Trek Thread: Nemesis 2: Nemeses, etc. (Part 1)

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Oh my god you’re right, that was literally the Shinzon plan

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shinzon deez nuts

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Picard managed to yet again torpedo (pun intended!!!) an entire ep by not moving the story forward whatsoever, stringing the viewer along with more mystery box shit.

  • The Troi / Riker scenes were good.

  • The TNG crew really does act like you’d hope they would after 30 years.

  • Brent Spiner is great even though the idea that he is Data revived again is like maybe the worst idea of all of this. The premise of “old robot” kind of rules in an unintended way though.

Everything else is like, 60 minutes of the dark, dreary hallways of the Titan, intercut with the crew being tortured or terrorized by Vadic, killing time until the last 15 minutes when they roll out the actual dumbest possible plan in Star Trek and kill Vadic by opening an airlock behind the view screen.

One thing that didn’t click for me about Picard until recently was that production shapes story very often. I started wondering why S3 has so, so much content in the darkened four sets they have for the Titan: the bridge, the med bay, the conference room, and the halls. Then I realized they probably could only afford to re-dress the Stargazer sets from S2, and put all the rest into the cost of the cast. Then beyond that, they made the Shrike bridge and the cells, and that’s your total of six sets for the season. I hesitate to call the Daystrom Institute hallways another set, I think it’s a re-dress of the Titan hallway.

That’s partially why the story is so weird, they are pot committed to never having action leave the six total sets, and I think that determined what the story would be entirely. So you just get like 8 episodes in a row of them running around the hallways of the Titan, sometimes getting in shootouts with motorcycle helmet thugs.

In S2, they didn’t spend very much money overall, so that’s probably why the Stargazer was introduced there, so they’d have that set for S3. I know they wrote S2 and S3 at the same time, and produced them right after the other, so that’s probably why the Stargazer was a thing, so that the Titan would be a thing the following season.

Thoughts on "Surrender"
  • The changeling thugs bleed red??? They’re not changelings??? What are they??

  • Nobody guards the prisoners??? Riker and Troi and just sitting there hanging out with each other in their cell???

  • This Jack Crusher psychic powers thing is so beyond moronic it’s probably my favorite thing on the show.

  • THE RAFFI WIRE-FU-ASS FIGHT SCENE WHERE SHE’S GOT TWO SWORDS IN THE HALL AAAASKDFKJ

  • Vadic for some reason doesn’t scan for and beam Jack to the bridge, nor send her thugs to go find him in the medbay set. No actual reason why.

  • Wonder if we’re ever gonna find out what happened to Tuvok??? They said they were gonna dismember him then yeah that was it

  • Alright so the Shrike got blowed up and presumably all the changelings on board there did as well, so, I dunno, I guess now it’s just the floating head, which’ll probably be revealed to be something scathingly dumb like a Pah Wraith.

  • Did Picard’s body get blown up???

  • Really disliked the detail that Troi apparently used her powers to block Riker’s bad feelings after their kid died, just seems like an insane thing for a therapist to do.

  • Okay so they haven’t left the confines of this dark-ass ship for the whole show, so I’m gonna guess the next ep will be entirely on the Titan again, and then for the finale, they will probably go onto a space station.

  • I genuinely wonder if that green space vortex they set up randomly at the very end of S2 is going to factor into the main bad guy somehow

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What’s weird about the set thing is they already had that cool projector system in place for Strange New worlds, right? So while anything that wasn’t an interior would be hard I would have thought they could, y’know, go to different indoor locations.

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to be fair i believe they film picard in hollywood and SNW in canada

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Huh, I guess that explains it. I just assumed they shot everything in Canada.

If it’s a Pah Wraith thing maybe vortex is The Wormhole, but Evil because it’s Green

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I haven’t been watching Picard S3 but I have been reading recaps and watching clips on youtube and it seems like a fantastically dumb show where they twist character motivation as needed and introduce stupid conflict and the intelligence emotional and intellectual and combat is as needed for the drama which would drive me insane if I cared.

Like how they set up 8 as “now you’re gonna find out Jack’s deal” and it’s so fucked up we can’t tell you, yet. Ah yes this is like Battlestar Galactica and Lost where they absolutely only had the mystery and said the payoff would come later. Except the mystery is dumb here and it’s being hung around a bunch of good actors given horrible material.

That Picard had to go to Data and say “sorry we brought you back after killing you.” “It’s okay as an actor I am being given all the best material this season.”

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AND BEHIND THE DOOR???

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BRO???

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Holy shit I did not think they had the swinging brass balls to make a reveal that hokey. It’s just everything you would fear Star Trek Nemesis II would be.

I don’t know why this was so hard for me to accept, but Picard is truly the next movie to come after Star Trek Nemesis. They did not change course whatsoever. This is the movie that would’ve happened if Nemesis didn’t bomb.

Thoughts on "Vox"

Okay the changelings worked with the Borg to hack the transporter systems across the fleet and include a piece of “organic code” that would be put into every person that used a transporter.

Well, that was even shlockier than I braced myself for. Never in my most cynical pondering did I imagine these motherfuckers would actually bring back the Borg as the big bad, for the last two episodes. God damn dude.

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Like in retrospect I was kind of hyped to see how they’d fuck up bringing back the pah-wraiths. It was going to suck, but like, maybe in an exciting new way.

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I hope they have to play Min Mei’s songs to confuse the enemy and save the galaxy with pop music because that would be way less dumb than what is going to happen.

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what does this even mean in the context of star trek… i’m imagining a spaceship powered by a steam engine with a control panel of huge cartoonish levers and cranks

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it means the dilithium is injected into the warp core using a carburettor

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The best part of this is how there are multiple episodes about the enterprise d computer controls disabling the ship, which uses real time updating flatpanel touch controls for literally everything.

Analogue

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They could just be like, none of the computer components on the ship are biological (there was even an episode of VOY where their super new bio computer modules got infected!) and/or recently teleported after the borg contagion

But no, analog

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isn’t fucking sputnik digital. the apollo mission sure was

who is writing this

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what if it turns out that the little scifi cassette tapes that they use have actual physical analog tape in them

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That’s like the coolest bit of voyager lore they never touch again in later trek. It’s one of the only parts of voyager they remembered more than once!

I think like three episodes mentioned it.

(bring the cheese to sickbay)