SB 64 part V: the vth vanguard (voting begins october 24!)

oh it’s time for the exciting resident evil 2k2 vs. metal gear solid 2 matchup!! i think silent hill v. earthbound will be fun too

this week, it’s time to discuss:

  • SPELUNKY
  • DISCO ELYSIUM

0 voters

  • RESIDENT EVIL (2002)
  • METAL GEAR SOLID 2: SONS OF LIBERTY

0 voters

  • EARTHBOUND
  • SILENT HILL

0 voters

  • SONIC 3 & KNUCKLES
  • GIMMICK!

0 voters

  • SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI III: NOCTURNE
  • ELEVATOR ACTION RETURNS

0 voters

  • METAL GEAR SOLID 3: SNAKE EATER
  • SUPER MARIO BROS.

0 voters

  • GOD HAND
  • EARTH DEFENSE FORCE SERIES (DEVELOPED BY SANDLOT)

0 voters

  • WARIOWARE, INC.: MEGA MICROGAME$!
  • LSD: DREAM EMULATOR

0 voters

  • BLOODBORNE
  • DRAGON QUEST III

0 voters

  • F-ZERO GX
  • MOTHER 3

0 voters

voting starts october 24th and ends on the 28th! after this group of matchups we will be moving into our first loser’s bracket matches… how exciting!

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Still so weird that EDF is on there as a whole series because man are the iterations there significantly different.

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Also this is reminding me of how my department at work a year ago held a bowling competition to determine what the best episode of Star Wars is, and the guy who had the Phantom Menace actually bowled the best game of his life, so that is officially the best Star War in the department now.

And it will remain as such for the foreseeable future. Thanks, pandemic.

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MGS3 has to get in over 2. I feel like MGS2 being here is some weird mistake.

SPELUNKY
vs.
DISCO ELYSIUM

Abstaining here. Spelunky is the kind of game I know I would enjoy if I had different brain chemistry, and I have not played Disco Elysium at all.

RESIDENT EVIL (2002)
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METEAL GEAR SOLID 2: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS

Ah geeze I gotta abstain here too!! I haven’t played either of these and probably will not in the foreseeable future.

I have played RE in its original format, but only for a few hours. I beat RE4, and played a bit of RE7. That’s all of my RExperience

I have played MGS about halfway, and a few hours of MGSV. I don’t think either is amazing? But I dunno.

EARTHBOUND
vs.
SILENT HILL

I played through Earthbound twice in a row because I thought I had to level up more to beat Giygas, and I got stuck in the last bit so underleveled I couldn’t beat any enemies. Turns out I’m just a dingus, but even playing that game a second time right away was great. I love it.

I need to give Silent Hill a fair shake, but EB is in my top 10 games of all time, sooo

yeah

SONIC 3 & KNUCKLES
vs.
GIMMICK!

I frickin hate S3&K and I don’t know why, exactly. It’s just…a mess.

But I have never played gimmick! Abstaining…again…

maybe i just dont like video games enough to be cool…

SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI III: NOCTURNE
vs.
ELEVATOR ACTION RETURNS

fuck i gotta abstain again??

METAL GEAR SOLID 3: SNAKE EATER
vs.
SUPER MARIO BROS.

I dunno, I dont like MGS that much, even never having played the 3rd one. I don’t think it will change my mind. SMB is good though,

GOD HAND
vs.
EARTH DEFENSE FORCE SERIES

Fuck

I haven’t played like, most of these games so far.

But every EDF thing I’ve touched has brought me some level of joy and it’s one of the first five games I played co-op with Alicia, before we were married. It was a good time.

WARIOWARE, INC.: MEGA MICROGAME$!
vs.
LSD: DREAM EMULATOR

This is a tough one. They’re both, in a weird way, surrealist games deconstructing the very notion of play. What does it mean to play a game for 4 seconds? How do you design a game that has no continuity whatsoever to actually feel continuous?

What does it mean for a game to have physical spaces that link in unconventional ways? Is logic even necessary for a game?

I gotta go LSD even though I’ve played Wario Ware a billion times longer. It sticks in my head and stands out as a game that embraces the limitations of its medium, for the best. Love it.

BLOODBORNE
vs.
DRAGON QUEST III

Bloodborne looks miserable to me. I am not fast enough to play that game, and it’s dreary as fuck. I enjoy it in theory, but I don’t think I’ll ever play it. Plus I don’t have a PS4

DQ games always bring me joy so, clear winner.

F-ZERO GX
vs.
MOTHER 3

Look

I don’t think I like Mother 3.

I mean, I respect it. I think it has high aspirations and I love how it complicates Mother 2 and its fandom. But it’s just too bleak. It’s so fucking bleak. I can’t deal with it.

F-Zero GX is pure canned excitement and astonishment. I am amazed by that game every time I play it. I love it more than I love almost anything. It’s so good.

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oh i am actually surprised to hear this opinion! i’ve played all the sandlot games at one point or another and they really just felt like the same game give or take a few weapons / vehicles / characters to the point where it does not feel at all egregious to me to group them together (and indeed more people in the nomination thread nominated “edf” or “earth defense force series” than any particular title). do tell me more though!

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This is an attack on me personally and I will not stand for it

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Guns of the Patriots is MGS4. MGS2 is Sons of Liberty.

oh good catch lol

I mean you’ve got the basics, like EDF 2 adding in more roles, EDF 3 taking flyers away, EDF4 adding Flyers and the Tanky slow guys. And then there’s Insect Armageddon, which is super different, and that offshoot of 5 that was a different developer that I haven’t played. Oh and the STG game.

And that’s just in basics. The tuning of the flyers, for example, changes decently between games though this doesn’t become super apparent until late in the games. The enemy variety saw a definite big jump with 5, though it had previous spikes in earlier gens as well.

There’s probably more, but yeah, there’s a lot of difference in these games.

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yeah i think people were really only referring to the main sandlot-developed games when they were nominating the series and not the american or yuke’s spinoffs (or edf tactics)… i will change the entry in the bracket to reflect this i think

Even just in the main series, I can’t see 3 and 5 as the same games. There’s just such a difference there in even the tactics you need to win, let alone the roles themselves.

the only thing more boring that mgs3 being the mgs to get in would be mgsv being the mgs to get in

god who cares about gameplay and more open environments and more tools to play with zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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yeah i feel you but at the same time if i counted edf nominations separately they wouldn’t have made it in and i erred on the side of including more games in the bracket whenever possible bc i thought it would be more fun, same deal as with puyo puyo, none of those games counted separately would have made it in and i’m sure our local puyoheads would be more than happy to elucidate the profound differences between titles there

since nocturne is here i’ll repost the piece i wrote about it a few months ago

REmake vs. mgs2 is going to give me an aneurysm, but i have to follow my heart

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The PS2 Metal Gears are (edit: wait, shit, Mother 3 notwithstanding) the best video game sequels ever made.

Also, in support of The Daphny Hypothesis, I submit the following

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yeah i love how in mgs2 snake and otacon always kind of seem like they’re teasing each other or flirting with each other a little bit lol. i think this is 100% on purpose btw. kojima makes games for fujos. it’s entertainment for gay man and bitches

(this also applies to snake and ocelot in mgs3 obvs)

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this is what resident evil 1995 looks like


weird and interesting and creepy otherwordly feeling mid 90s saturn era 3d/prerendered 3d


this is what resident evil 2002 looks like. instead of an anime tactical team everyone looks like zonked out silent hill characters and the mansion now aesthetically fits with later resident evil entries by being a obviously haunted mansion. to me this is not an improvement, 2002 is the weaker less interesting entry

*forgive the bad upscaled screenshots for gamers know not what they do

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what are the more open worlds of later metal gears when they are empty of anything close to experiencing the colonel breaking down and telling you to turn off the game console at 2am after playing the game all damn day other than a short interruption where your friends brought over their just newly released “the fast and the furious” dvd? what are more tools to play with (when it’s all just more ways to incapacitate enemies anyway), when instead you could be having your girlfriend constantly calling you in the middle of your special operations mission trying to get you to open up emotionally?

metal gear solid 3 is such a boring safe choice they added a third person camera, aka “the coward’s camera” to the game for all the safety sally’s. the beginning of the end continued in mgs4 moving the shooting controls to the shoulder buttons. and no later metal gears feature anything like a scene of two bro’s doing an elaborate bro handshake in one’s attempt to cheer the other up over incest.

metal gear solid 2 was released november 2001, two months after 9/11 and nearly twenty years ago. you crash through half of lower manhattan in a giant ship and fight the former president (who wants to liberate the u.s. from the deep state and the 1%) in the middle of wall street atop federal hall (next to the trump building). earlier when you meet the current president of the united states he greets you by sexually assaulting you. a tyrannical synthetic consciousness has evolved from the primoridial soup of american patriotism itself and wants to control society and censor the internet to keep people from going insane from fake news and conspiracy theories. one characters every line of dialogue is just stating how much she wants to die. her devoted simp who follows her around saying “yass queen” is inexplicably a vampire. in the middle of a tragic death scene a man suddenly confesses to having had sex with his step mother. every facet of the game is a response to being a sequel to metal gear solid. the tanker section is setup as a traditional sequel might be only to “kill” the protagonist early on. the plant section is a complete artifice designed to evoke responses based on it’s similarities to the first game. the game suddenly replaces the familiar solid snake with a surprise effeminate protagonist who is an uncertain, emotionally deadened, videogame trained dupe who is gaslit so hard by his commanding officer he is only able to finally reassert his hold on reality and own identity many games later after repeatedly destroying his own body and becoming a high heeled death machine wandering the earth, waging a personal war against memes and imperialist intervention in africa and the middle east. this is the game of our age if there ever was one. there could never be anything like it again. and was there ever anything before where someone could look back at a single piece of media from 20 years prior and see how it so specifically laid the track to the present like we can mgs2 now? who knows what we’ll be seeing when looking back at it another twenty years from now

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Yeah 3 only has better theming, characters, script, boss fights, pacing, moments, gameplay, setting, setpieces, cutscenes, eroticism, gunplay, secret shit, collectables, kuwabara, systems, stealth, storytelling through systems, gadgets, sequence breaking, and has codec conversations that aren’t the length of a Star Trek episode.

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