Let's talk about Spider-Man games! (or Superhero Games in General)

hey i worked with alex previty for a month at somatone! he was amazing! we quit at the same time :open_mouth:

dude knows his way around pro tools lemme tell you

really glad to see him doing well he deserved better than somatone

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does whatever a spider can, he does

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Chefkiss punchline

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this game is pro-cop and i probably won’t play it until it’s like 10 dollars but i still have to respect it for inspiring people to do weirdly specific videos like this so soon after its release

(hidden because it contains unlockable costume footage that might ruin a surprise)

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the only part of it being “pro-cop” that really bugs me, taking into account

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is that (as evidenced in the video you linked) one of the open world busywork things they threw in there is “busting minor drug deals” which dramatically saps my enthusiasm for it

otherwise it seems like, uh, not the worst-handled entry into the “gamers who reflexively identify as progressive also love conservative corporatist media properties and defend their right to love them and are not good at reconciling these stances” canon

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never forget that the villain in Raimi’s Spider Man was an industrial arms manufacturer

it is the last Pre-9/11 movie

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I’d say the tone is pro-cop in a ten-year-old who also loves fire trucks kind of way

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I liked the first raimi spiderman a lot more than the second and I could never find any concurring opinions back in the day; I missed dafoe mugging in the second one and I thought pretty much all efforts they subsequently made to make the character more three dimensional and more heroic were dumb

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I felt deeply cynical watching the second in a way I didn’t watching the first but I haven’t rewatched it since release and don’t know if that was just my mood. The train scene fell to schlocky instead of moving; very likely I was not prepared for any pro-America tableaus even if it wanted to be more pro-NYC.

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Oh yeah I don’t think the game is some kind of radical misinterpretation of the character or anything.

Honestly superheroes that act as totally lawless vigilantes are just as weird. I remember feeling kind of bored by the constant “The cops think [obviously virtuous super-hero] is the villain?” subplots in basically all media, though I guess now that gives you some kind of moral high ground.

Even though the Amazing Spider-Man movies are bad, making Denis Leary into the skeptical police captain who is also Spider-Man’s girlfriend’s dad was pretty great to me, because when the Raimi Spider-Man came out my girlfriend at the time’s dad (who I was and still am terrified of) was like, extremely livid that they had the gall to make a military contractor the villain

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I’m 99% sure the point is the nuance between “cop” and “not cop”

E.g. let’s not put together surveillance buildings everywhere to spy on everyone. E.g. let’s discuss that “bad cops” usually aren’t working for the badguy, but deepseated racists/misogynists that take advantage of their specific cop powers for personal crusades into racism/misogyny/powerfantasy E.g. Morgan Freeman’s character in Dark Knight did this years ago

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The thing about the cop activity in this game is Spidey isn’t just ‘fighting crime’, he’s setting up a surveillance system so cops can watch everyone. That is more than a little dubious to me.

As for Spider-Man movies, the first one is totally the best. The second entirely hinges on Will he stop being spider-man??? (No) and Don’t You Want Mary-Jane and Peter to End Up Together???(DEFINITELY NO).

You can’t hinge an entire emotional arc of a film on rooting for a romance where the two leads not only have zero chemistry, but Dunst seems like she hates being on screen with McGuire half the time.

I’m still waiting for 3 to get remembered as a cheeseball classic like it deserves to be. It operates on the level of a Xena episode and it’s awesome for that reason.

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the biggest problem with the third one is that it had Sad Thomas Haden Church like a year and a half after Sideways and I remember sitting in the imax thinking what am I even supposed to do with this guy

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That seemed like a hilariously bungled metaphor treatment. They want to interpret the ‘watchtower’ open world mechanic but the obvious analogue is a Stingray-esque device but that’s obviously super-creepy but if we say it’s an Oscorp-owned item and dress it in black and red than it’s dramatic irony for Spidey to set these up, right? Except the mechanics are insisting it’s a good idea so the feint away from it doesn’t land.

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Most of the time when I see “cops” and “bungled” together it means some brown dude is dead, so

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and it’s also probably the phrasing J Jonah Jameson would use to describe police brutality, which is why that character works

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Raimi is the best who ever did it and Spiderman 3 is unimpeachable art

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I mean, it did have that trailer with spidey weaving a web between the towers and that didn’t make the final cut for obvious reasons.

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