Let's just talk about Star Wars forever (Part 1)

I keep forgetting about fish nuns because I love porg’s so much but they are very good.

I bet they don’t like porgs.

The porgs probably shit everywhere.

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I liked how whenever Luke put on his surly voice Hamill veered dangerously into Joker territory

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So I super liked the Casino scene. Especially the soundtrack.

Partially because halfway through it starts to sound very similar to:

Although both could be referencing an older song I’m not familiar with. But a Lucasarts game soundtrack inspiring a Lucasfilm movie soundtrack doesn’t seem that far fetched to me.

Hey, this is cool. To be honest, one of the weirdest things to me about this Star Wars is how little the score forces you to pay attention to it. I don’t know whose idea this was, but I felt like in addition to using the very memorable bits of the original Star Wars soundtrack, TFA also did a good job of introducing a very memorable melody for Rey, and there’s nothing quite like that in TLJ.

The Canto Bight song definitely struck me as a kind of glitzed up take on the Cantina music–I feel like there is some similar instrumentation there. But I didn’t pay enough attention to it after the initial few moments so it’s cool to hear the whole thing. Now I’m wondering what else is in the score that just gets kind of buried under all the other noises.

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Matthew Colville Doesn’t Like It

I feel like this is a legitimate take (especially for a dude who was an actual child when the original movies were released in theaters) but I just cannot care about this angle of criticism at all.

But it’s a critical take that isn’t about SJWs or whatever so that’s nice.

The thing that definitely stands out to me and makes both tunes sound “spacey” is the steel drums, which are an instrument completely alien (lol) to the kind of 20’s or 30’s hothouse jazz the tunes are otherwise trying to evoke.

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Can you summarize it? I really don’t want to watch 45 minutes of a guy staring at a camera and half-yelling

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I got angry the Falcons battle song was just a boring and inappropriate rearrangement of the Tie Fighter battle from ANH.

I’m bored so I decided to check this out through alternative channels.

And I gotta say, its just the right amount of camera smear-bloom and SD resolution, it reminds of watching the originals on VHS. A+

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He spends 30 minutes talking about the original trilogy (it’s a “fairy tale” not a “sci-fi”). He likes TFA and Rogue One as movies, but they’re bad when they’re stuck in the past and as a whole they dismantle what Star Wars was about. (Which I assume is the angle Cuba doesn’t care to engage with).

Then all his points about TLJ are basically my criticisms above but more verbose (doesn’t believe the characters, doesn’t like the circuitous twists that don’t result in much).

Then he restates that it seems like these new movies try to deliberately take apart and ruin the drama of the originals, a point seemingly unrelated to his criticisms of TLJ.

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i was going to say ‘why the hell do all these pop culture "angry’ criticism review videos have to be like 20-60 minutes long’, but then i realize when you’re not beholden to any kind of self-editing beyond Youtube’s ad monetization technique of splitting up long videos with ads and banner change ups (something i learned about in one of my last threads), then it starts to make sense

at this point, any piece of media that seems to overtly challenge Old World Nerd Opinions in a way that makes these guys uncomfortable and sincerely angry creates a new, easier bar of entry for me wanting to enjoy that media. and i’m not ashamed to admit that it helped ease my opinion of something like the new Ghostbusters (or even, in a small way, The Force Awakens), simply because there were so many people in that camp that just hated it so much to the point of publicly debasing themselves in the name of riling against “SJW boogiemen” or whatever

i know that sucks, but like, they weren’t helping themselves much anyway

contemporary spite is extremely powerful stuff

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Takes on TLJ like these make me think that, had ESB been released yesterday, these same people would be harshing on that movie for the way it subverts the original Star Wars.

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I dunno. I thought the new Ghostbusters pretty much straight up sucked, aside from a couple bright spots. That kind of spite doesn’t do anything to spice things up for me.

Anyway I like Collier’s take because he’s such a nice guy and actively SJW-positive and yet has lots of media opinions that mark him as an Old Nerd that it opens up what’s good about Old Nerd opinions - with which I do not usually agree, but it’s a useful mine. It’s part of where we come from, after all.

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despite my initial takes on this site, i don’t think nuGhostbusters held up as much as it seems to on paper, which is my whole point that you kind of want something to be better, even just to spite people who are so blue in the face Angry about it

for what its worth, TLJ isn’t in that camp at all to me, for one thing it made me laugh way more.

i guess what i’m saying is, you can go a long way by not just immediately crowing about “too much diversity” (lookin’ at you RedLetterMedia)

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Although there are parallels between Emperor Palpatine and dictators such as Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte, the direct inspiration for the saga’s evil antagonist was actually an American president. According to J.W. Rinzler’s “The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi,” when asked if Emperor Palpatine was a Jedi during a 1981 story conference, Lucas responded, “No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy.” In a 2005 interview published in the Chicago Tribune, Lucas said he originally conceived “Star Wars” as a reaction to Nixon’s presidency. “It was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”

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a very good friend of mine drew this Finn/Poe valentine’s card-lookin’ art and i found it very nice

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https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/kojima-star-wars-in-the-era-of-disney-w514793

Just as the power of kings is passed to their lineage, so too the Force is passed to the chosen few. At least that’s how we’ve viewed Star Wars until now. The Last Jedi throws this concept out the window. Anyone can awaken to the Force. Anyone can be the hero. The spotlight isn’t reserved for those special few, it can shine on anyone. Princess Leia is no longer a princess, but a general, a position that can be replaced by another.

The same movement has happened within the world of games. Previously the hero was an elite, a chosen figure coming from a unique background or possessing special powers, but from the time of Grand Theft Auto and the like, minorities and oppressed members of society have become the heroes. In this day and age, the leading role isn’t reserved just for the chosen, but anyone can become the hero = the player.

The Last Jedi may be the first attempt to free Star Wars from its era of mythology, and propel it into the present. The closing scene of the young boy hopefully gazing up at the stars is as fitting an indication of this intent as any.

In Star Wars, anyone can be the hero. That’s what The Last Jedi tells us. It’s a new era, starting in a kingdom without a king.

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i have no problem per se with the star wars analysis there, but i have no clue what the fuck is he on about in the game segment.

player has been able to become a hero since the dawn of gaming, lol.