Let's just talk about Star Wars forever

There is one person in my office who LOUDLY hates TLJ and it just means that we avoid talking about Star Wars when she is around. Though at the department christmas bowling party, we determined through the skill based game of bowling that The Phantom Menace is the best Star Wars movie, so we have to live with that as a department for a year.

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I have two brothers-in-law that I haven’t spent enough time with to get into arguments about movies with who hate TLJ but one of these days I will find out if they are just Star Wars enthusiasts with different opinions or raging misogynists, in which case I will be damaging family harmony (really hoping it’s the former).

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I don’t think my coworker is a raging misogynist, more just NEEERRRD.

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george…

  1. Holiday Special
  2. V
  3. Dark Forces
  4. Tie Fighter
  5. VIII
  6. IV
  7. Jedi Knight
  8. X Wing
  9. Jedi Knight 2
  10. VI
  11. Ewok movies
  12. The rest

This isn’t a joke

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What makes X Wing better than JK2? (I haven’t played either)

flying space planes and dog fighting is way cooler than being a jedi and JK2 really leaned into the jedi stuff even from JK1

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something i think about a lot re: star wars is how there was so much FMV in early lucasarts games, and how that was like the most ā€˜contemporary’ live action star wars content that existed until the prequels were released

and how in a weird way the look of the prequels has more in common with that bad blue screen cheap costume aesthetic than they do with the ot

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I don’t see Message From Space on this list.

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I still haven’t seen it but sonny chiba rules so

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i think lucas’s role in making the original trilogy actually good movies has been pretty rightfully diminished over the years, but i still found this new interview with him about empire strikes back to be really inspiring:

i mean, ironic now that all of this is A Disney Product, but he made a few cheap indie movies, got a major studio to back Star Wars, then got pissed off and made his own studio to produce the sequel. it’s basically like a fantasy inversion of the thing that happens nowadays where a promising indie director is lured in to making the next marvel movie and having the creativity totally sucked out of them or whatever

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That actually speaks really well to his abilities and instincts as a producer, even if his writing and directorial work don’t hold up as well

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Lucas is a big galoof with no real aesthetic sense but he does seem to be most moral billionaire I know of

i don’t know what you mean by saying ā€œno real aesthetic senseā€ unless you think ā€œpulp sci-fi comics and Lord of the Rings left on top of a radiator too long until they melted together into one lumpā€ isn’t real, and i’d earnestly say that’s a little unfair to George Lucas

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Yeah like…easily Lucas strongest trait as a director/producer is his extremely keen aesthetic sense. Sometimes it’s a bad aesthetic, but it’s definitely there.

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I often wonder what Lucas’s career would have looked like if during the shooting of Empire he had really embraced that his calling wasn’t as a writer or director but as a producer and VFX supervisor/possible art director. He’s (mostly) good at those things (well, the latter anyway)!

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yeah, i think all of the original movies are shot really beautifully and the camera work is really distinctive. they have different directors and dps on all of them so i can only assume this comes at least partially from lucas.

it’s one of the most disappointing things about the prequel trilogy, even though so many of the angles and composition and stuff is just direct references to stuff from the original trilogy, something just feels imbalanced and off about it. i have a feeling it relates to how much shooting on digital was kind of untested and imperfect at the time. the green screen stuff doesn’t really become an issue until eps ii and iii but that doesn’t help either.

this is a tangent, but i’ve also been thinking (too much) about how much i hate everything about qui gon jin, like aesthetically and in terms of the performance even though liam neeson is normally good. he just seems way more like a ā€˜white guy martial arts expert’ drag than normal for the series, and that’s saying a lot. bad hair is also a huge problem in the prequels. but qui gon has to be the worst.

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Yeah I think this proves the opposite point. When Lucas was finally given carte blanche in the prequels the movies became incredibly ugly. I think his value is really in getting craftsmen to produce excellent work in service to his vague and overarching vision. He is NOT a details guy, which is why he is not a naturally talented director, but, as people have been saying, a producer.

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The prequels aren’t ā€œuglyā€ because the individual designs or the blocking/composition of them as elements in a frame Are Bad, they’re ā€œuglyā€ because Lucas prioritized chasing the bleeding edge of Digital Cinema and forcing the tech cart before the horse. Lucasfilm/ILM were inventing a sub-industry as they went along. Entire visual effect chunks of Episode 2 were pitched and essentially directed (with suggestions/thumbs up and/or down) from conception to completion by individual artists then dropped in the film because Lucas literally could not know what they could do and had to ask them ā€œtell me what you think can you give me.ā€ All of the Clone Troopers are made of polygons, even the ones that have Jango Fetts’s face in a shot of a Space Plane cockpit in the opening of 3, because why composite when you can see how convincing The Effects Folks can make a Digital Man? The production of these movies was weird as hell. A good producer would say ā€œthat looks uncanny, George, comp a real head inā€ but George was pursuing his very specific George vision which happened to be a world which contained few to no human actors he had to manually instruct re: faster, more intense.

Anyway George Lucas is 100% a details guy even when he’s not a details guy because maybe the detail he cares about in the moment is more about method than result + tune in never for why Actually if You Squint He’s the Tarantino of the Film Brats (except he doesn’t like feet.)

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