Gundam Gquuux was cool! I understood like one third of the dialog. Like I got the broad strokes but if someone wants to help the big idiot and just spoiler text what some of the conversations were about like with mask zeon lady, everything hot moustache said post time skip.
I am sure it was mostly Science and Politics and Fake Science and Fake Politics words.
Good nicknames lol
wouldn’t want to break the realism of my cartoon about psychic child soldiers in space
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chars counterattack in the theater was so fuckin good!!! someone brought their metal build big ass SD nu gundam and kept talking about how expensive it was but no one cosplayed
quess still the best
Managed to catch CCA in a theater yesterday. The theater experience does make it hit a little different. I still feel like I’m still on the outer circle of liking it. I certainly appreciate stuff it has going for it but I still feel like it has some issues in a nuts and bolts sense. Pacing and editing is kinda spartan and Tomino character dialouge will always feel off to me. I’m less sour about it than I was watching it on adult swim and on a VHS a few times in high school but I might come around in another 5 years.
my favorite thing about it is it addresses every single problem and hangup i have about char, and how they have to fucking bitch at eachother to literally the last second of their lives. i just love spiteful gay romance
One part of my problem is not having seen all of Zeta(1-10 eps long time ago) and none of ZZ or Victory so I don’t know if those brought up any context but the idea of Char going back and making a new Zeon movement felt like a failure of his goals as I understood them from 0079 and the sliver of Zeta I’ve seen.
Addendum: I do love the bits in the movie where everyone is well aware of Char’s bullshit and calls it out freely but just slightly out of earshot of him.
yeah in zeta char learns working with the ‘good guy’ sucks ass too. like chars counterattack is him after he learns his lessons. I haven’t finished zz though which apparently explains more. but to me it just makes sense that char snaps the way he does after all the titans shit
The main bit of ZZ that leads into CCA is that Char watches the two halves of “legitimate” leadership of Neo-Zeon grind each other into dust in a civil war, so he seems dissuaded of the idea of Zeon as a meaningful society.
Outside of the Spacies versus Earthians racism/genocide/fascism what are the values of both sides?
I know a general theme of the series is you don’t get to choose the political/army you’re born into/recruited at a young age.
Federation: “All of this is so expensive. Is there any way to make all of this cost less money?”
Zeon: “Technically, we’ve never lost any wars.”
It feels like France vs. Germany in World War 1. One side is technically a republic and the other technically a monarchy but they have much more in common than their differences. And they’re not at war primarily to defend their values, it’s a more senseless conflict rooted in national pride.
the spacenoids view themselves as having a colonial relationship with earth which is not even necessarily untrue (the earth federation clearly sees them as second-class citizens with resources to exploit) but it’s led to deeply reactionary aristocratic, nationalist fascism. Like the zabi family, obsession with lines of succession, newtypes destined to be the upper echelon of society. On the other hand the ef seems to love neoliberal austerity fascism, having an economy based around military defense contractors who build wunderwaffen, and taking bribes. It makes sense Char would go his own way after Zeta - he ends up believing neither system’s existence is justified, and that something extreme has to be done to dismantle them. He becomes increasingly radical over the course of the UC, following in his father’s footsteps.
Anyway one of the reasons I like Gundam is that it takes place in a realistically deranged future.
I perfectly understand that Char would hate both sides but maybe I personally injected to much thinking he’d go in a more anarchic direction after cleaning the plate of Sabi’s that ruined his family. I figured he’d hate having to cash in on noble linage names and hierarchies seeing how they made such a mess to begin with. CCA at least shows Char laments having to play politics in such away but the way it’s just a means to commit environmental genocide makes it play a little weird in the compressed time of the film. This is also a running trend I feel in Tomino’s characters where you can see the elements that makes them commit to their actions but there’s always some gap he jumps so he can get the drama on screen to keep it moving.
time for you to read beltorchikas children
I’ve heard many things about Tomino’s novel versions of Gundam. I’m both intrigued and afraid of what his prose is like.
it’s interesting that the various factions in gundam, even when their ideologies aren’t completely clear or mappable to anything irl, are still clearly distinct from each other.
in contrast, the two main sides in votons are kind of identical wwi-style empires seeking power and expansion for its own sake, with no difference between tham at all in terms of morality, ideology, or even aesthetics. if either side won, the common oeople would pretty much be uneffected. (that is, if they weren’t both being manipulated by a religious cult that is itself being manipulated by an ancient psychic computer)
