Devsporation

This is exactly what I am getting so anoyed about lately. You’re already writing the game off based on what?

The Red String Club is a good game, afaik, but I have never played it because waypoint ran a review that declared it problematic and transphobic. Turns out the reviewer was mad about a character being deadnamed, and when a dev reached out and said, ‘hey I’m trans and I did that for a reason and it wasn’t because I hate trans people’ the reviewer ran the quote in an article with a big transphobia content warning and editorialized ‘I don’t knooooow, it’s pretty bad to deadname!’

Like, dog piling is a pretty thin line, but it was a really bad take and I would think there would be some responsibility to not make the primary association of a trans dev’s game ‘oh, isn’t that game transphobic?’ (which is still what I think whenever I see the game on sale). And like, I know we’re all punching up at white dude like good little leftists, but I’m old enough and I’ve been around trans communities long enough and I remember when being declared cancled or problematic or toxic or abusive was a death sentence because it meant you were homeless without any community and I get iffy when I see it thrown around based on some real vague shit.

Also Danelle isn’t trans, or at least not out, so I do hope I’m misunderstanding what dogpile we’re talking about :woman_shrugging:t2:

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If you’re talking about NitW, Danielle wasn’t the writer I was referring to.

The writer and I were mufos back when I had a twitter.

He’s been linked in the good gaming youtube thread but here’s Noah:

He’s recently posted three essays, one on Dead Space, other on Far Cry 5 DLC and another on Wolfy 2. Previously he made a huge Neverwinter Nights retrospective

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Oh yeah, that was pretty bad.

It was, and Benson still acts like he was the victim in the whole scenario, so… yeah.

i didn’t say i was cancelling the game! from what i hear it’s still really good. i literally just said i was still gonna play night in the woods!

i’m also a trans woman of a certain age lol

robert yang, taken from a convo between him and nina freeman thats in a book i found @ the library called design/play/disrupt

this convo was the only cool part other than tale of tales revisiting the realtime art manifesto. i rly needed to read this paragraph

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Fuck, I can relate.

The high art/pop culture divide in as many words, she’d have the same words for anyone forced to sell their work to a mass audience, and probably has the same blindness to the vital margins Radiator tinkers in as she would for film, comics,

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I feel like spite is underrated as a working ethos, tbh.

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some people really don’t like carrying around what they see as negative emotions and I’m convinced they’re worse for it

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Negative emotions can absolutely be useful, i think the problem is that people are not often raised/socialized to have a healthy relationship with their emotions.

I have made a lot of art out of spite, and I have paid for it.

Rage is good yes, spite I consider a wholly worthless emotion

Maybe in life! I think spite is a better emotion for art since it’s inherently kind of ambivalent, both attached to and trying to separate itself from some concrete external universe that to some extent it rejects but necessarily takes most of its own form and character from, much like… art…

for me korn or something is rageful music and as ultimately monotonous as that implies whereas ‘forming’ by the germs or whatever is spiteful in that it’s animated by a perversity that’s not really tied to any one distinct object of opposition or affirmation - which is what makes it sound weird, unsettled, curious, exciting, more interesting as a work if not a sentiment, if it even has one.

i think there’s a basic and inherent strangeness in the act of piling together idiot heaps of material, or the desire to pile together idiot heaps of material, which precedes whatever you’re actually trying to express with the heap. spite can be a way of acknowledging that ultimate groundlessness without falling into either total resignation or just the sort of total doctor pangloss boosterism where you feel like doing something and then just cast around for reasons why that desire is in fact objectively good, worthy and correct.

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this is the least fun take I’ve ever heard

I’ll make something good out of spite to spite this opinion

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As long as it’s pointing up, spite owns

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indignation and anything born of it is fundamentally hilarious

you’re gonna call these worthless? I don’t want to live in that world

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Yeah, man, so much good art has been borne out of spiting other artists/artistic trends, I think.