watched ‘like the clouds, like the wind’ yesterday. what a lovely, lovely cartoon!
i actually believed for the entire thing that it was based on a real story from late-medieval china, it feels very grounded in its presentation, even though all sorts of zany stuff happens
Yeah, time to read this again:
While it’s very easy to resonate with that peel back, things can get wobbly with the way it’s driven home in the second half of the article.
It did remind me of WB’s disclaimer around similar grounds.
The thing I wonder is, how I haven’t seen a black person bring this up about Cuphead until now. I do have a couple friends I’m going to stream the second half of playing through tomorrow night. One of them is black.
Like this writer’s insight seems fair, but how does that weigh against black audiences that are glad this exists purely in style and appreciation, preferring it not depict them lent to old offensive caricature? I’d wager that many feel it’s not as, secretly whitewashing or obfuscating the past as they imply. Would an “ideal” angle have been to bring more of those depictions into the design, possibly sanded down? I’m not sure a great amount of people would’ve seen that as better than the, cleaned up and still extremely authentic, game that did well?
Please don’t
I mean go ahead and stream it for your friends, just please don’t write sentences like these
Sorry, what about what I said is wrongful/bad/impolite? Give me a little bit of benefit of the doubt, someone speaking starkly isn’t 1:1 someone being ignorant.
I’m too tired to have a whole big discussion on tonedeafness and attribute no malice to you. Just in general I don’t want to hear from a white person about what Black People Really Think or, alternatively, what Your Black Friend thinks
As long as you’re not trying to stifle out other perspectives, we’re good.
This is an interesting topic re:Cuphead and I’m interested in gathering the opinions of my black friends.
I appreciate this article, cheers for posting it. I’ve always felt uneasy with the Fleischer style but have never been able to articulate why. Probably in the same way when some prog bands (briefly) imitate different genres to spice up their, uh, art. It feels false as hell and disingenuous to ignore the roots of their tribute.
the writer is a black audience
Yes, I read the article, and the rest of my statement is
that are glad this exists purely in style and appreciation, preferring it not depict them lent to old offensive caricature?
do you think they would somehow cancel each other out so you would no longer have to care about it or what?
I believe they are reaching to present an idealized concern or slight, it’s not the intention or ignorance of the developer, nor quite represented or perpetuated by people that enjoy or support Cuphead.
The informational/historical part holds to observe, but the judgmental presence of the rest doesn’t. I can have that response.
you realize that there’s a totally valid response somewhere between “well, I guess cuphead is cancelled” and “fortunately, I have rationalized a way to dismiss this criticism and I’m gonna tell you about it,” right?
I haven’t heard any other responses, just read an article and shared mine. Why are you trying to make me feel bad about it? Okay maybe that’s not the case but what are you saying?
because you keep (unknowingly for all I can tell) challenging issues of social justice by effectively demanding a burden of proof that cannot exist in the contexts for which you’re calling for it and shutting down the conversation
If on occasion occurs where I question the tenacity of a claim and I tend to do that, I can only be sorry about the manners that I might employ along the way. But I don’t think I’ve ever done much different from probing situations that appear in front of me or are concerning.
I have clear conscience of not being derogatory toward people nor discriminating, if you want to come after me for asking for those burdens of proof in a place I came to for discourse and community, it’s your place but I’m far from contorting myself to be agreeable just cuz
As I said, heavy punch article get shared, it can get a deflect or pushback. Obviously I wrote it out and thought about it. If anything I’m being shut down, is that not possibly more of a case?
so did you make your observation because you think that the Warner Brothers disclaimer came about because white people were, in a vacuum, overcompensating?
That’s a weird question to ask, I think I see how it elicits a certain kind of answer. Sorry I’ll still* have to come back to answer that later.
Well I guess for now I can say, the baseline approaches to assuage this article’s claim of the spectre of racism in Cuphead (which of course looking at in a certain light can be detected in trace or at some kind of%)
or…perhaps, the circumstances that brought it into being, well the answers would be somewhere around
- Embrace the style in such a way it incorporated those swept under the rug, sterilized aspects (I have a hard time thinking this is better or would fly whatsoever, but wow if it could)
- Don’t even think about making this kind of game (unless you steer completely clear of the adjacent root stuffs, and what do you have at that points)
And on those boiled down notions, I’ll express further that, I believe more people (and the kind most affected by this, cross referenced with those that play games) would prefer it exists as is, compared to those two answers.
That’s just my short math here, after summing the whole thing. I don’t expect anyone has to agree with this kind of density, but I do believe I’m wording out my conclusion more than being lazily ignorant or impressionable. That’s all I got for now, always willing to self correct given enough reasoned impetus.
your schtick of trying to shut down anyone pointing out issues in media you like by wearing them down with half-coherent rambling is really unpleasant. you did this in the cyberpunk thread and kept it up when i DMed you about it. please stop.