as long as this one says “kick their asses” instead of “kick their ass”
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nice, wasn’t expecting this to be out so soon
the nightmare of working with tyrone is out
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now that doesn’t surprise me
a case where I know someone well enough that they kind of skeeve me out!
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i’ll repeat it until i die:
the indie scene becoming a mirror image of the mainstream industry as a way to produce capital was such a huge misstep.
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Well as someone who’s been able to do this and live off it, I definitely disagree. I know hundreds of people who’d never have been able to develop unless they could be remunerated.
Really, the alternate model looks like the Japanese bedroom scene, which is far less vital and has far fewer people learning and expressing themselves.
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when nicalis swooped in to publish/produce for big indies there wasnt really much other choice if you wanted your games to reach further
im glad people arent putting up with tyrones shit anymore
i wonder if they got away with shit for so long cuz they were kinda the first
look, i just want to warp back to 2009 again, ok
jokes aside, obviously for people who have managed to make a living through this system, it’s going to be appealing, but like…
is it any surprise that we see the exact same power-structure issues reverberating throughout the indie games industry? over and over and over
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ah yes, 2009 when the only indie developers were a handful of white dudes who all thought the future of games were programming nerds
i liked proving that year very wrong
i meant more like…the outliers lol. not Jon Blow
maybe i should have gone back a few years. my memories are hazy these days.
It’s a symptom of unequal power chokepoints.
In a lot of ways it’s good that a place like Nicalis is no longer needed to open gates to platforms, but the tradeoff is that everyone’s dumped into the terrifying open ocean and have to make it themselves.
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i mean remember that picture edmund drew of all the indie developers at the time? it was literally all white dudes and like, my ex, and like erin robinson i think
that was 2009
world of goo dudes and fez dudes and braid dudes and meat boy dudes velicoraptor dudes
but if you compare the way people dress at gdc 2009 to gdc 2019 the dudes did not keep their scene to themselves
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i don’t remember this picture, no
i wonder if he just sent it to the people in the picture? it was like 12-20 people… and they were all weird caricatures
ill ask him if he still has it
Indie developers SUCK! (or do they???)
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the outliers and really interesting people started getting attention in 2011-2012
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you gotta do the format right
indie devlopers SUCK… or do they???
(for the most part, no. but as in all things that possibly have a monetary outcome, there are plenty of horrible people)
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ok, yeah. i feel like i’d have to actually sit down, map it all out, remember what games came out when from who, specifically, etc.
anyway, i guess my main point was less about a year and more about when things felt more like the wild west and there were more possibilities for different structures to emerge, but instead we just got something that mimics the larger industry which felt like it was going against the point of what a lot of us were attempting to work towards.
does the result mean that there is more diversity and a way for people to make a living in games and not have to work at a AAA studio? i guess maybe it does!
i just wish there had been an alternative path.
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i totally get what you mean but since i was really involved in it i care about the specifics or something, sorry for being pedantic
i think the wild west is still there, its just not in the park at yerba buena… for a while there was a big push in small indie scenes to tell people that GDC wasnt everything, you dont have to go to the prohibitively expensive city to make a name for yourself in games
what i want is people to stop caring about global reach and make games for their immediate scenes/cities/cultures and share within that… like a good local resturant
or babycastles!
but the way numbers work nowadays is SO INFLATED AND BIZARRE. a youtube channel with 20k subscribers is not successful, a viral tweet isnt 1k retweets anymore its fucking 25k retweets
also in order for something to be ‘successful’ it has to sell SO MUCH i just hate success i hate it as a measurement i am going to stop myself from soapboxing riiiight now.
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